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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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I hope someone can help as I am struggling to sort out my problem. The situation is as follows

 

Myself and my partner rented a property in Glasgow for 2 years between 2004 and 2006 from a private landlord. We moved out of the property in our own property on the 4th August 2006.

 

All was fine until 18th August 2008 when we received letter from Debt Collect Agency BCW advising a summary warrant has been obtained for council tax arrears for £121.78.

 

Upon contacting Glasgow City Council they advised that the council tax had been paid up until the end of July 2006 and the amount due was for the period of August - September 2006.

 

My biggest problem is that I am unable to prove that myself and my partner did not reside in the property for the disputed period. We can prove that we were living in our current property but do not have a copy of a lease agreement and I am unsure whether we had a written lease agreement, all payments were cash in hand but a friend had previously rented the property and had no issues.

 

I advised the council that the letter from BCW was the first we knew about the arrears and if we had been aware of the problem then we would have fully co-operated to resolve the issue at the time. They have advised that they had sent a reminder letter to the property in September 2006 (after we had left) and then contacted the leasing company, property matters, which was news to us as we dealt solely with the landlord and landlady. The landlord and landlady had forwarding details for our new property as they were quick enough to get in contact when the final gas and electricity bills were sent to them (They were in the landlord's name) which we paid direct to the landlord via the bank details they had provided us. Glasgow City Council also confirmed they had been unable to contact the landlord of the property even though they had their details.

 

I have contacted BCW and they have halted proceedings until mid-septemeber to give us time to resolve the dispute with Glasgow City council but I am unconviced Glasgow City Council will do much.

 

I have contacted the landlord using a mobile contact number we had but when I stated my name and that I was calling regarding the property they hung up and now refuse to take any of my calls.

 

I have provided the landlord name, contact number and current address for the landlord to the council and they have promised to try and locate them but I will not hold my breath.

 

I am currently trying to locate as much documentation I can to build a case for us not staying in the property (on the advise of Citizens advice) such as details of full and final payment for the telephone line but without the lease I am currently getting nowhere.

 

As the council only know we resided in the property becuase we were paying the council tax and they have no copy of any tenacy agreement to say we did stay in the property how can they solely pursue ourselves for the debt and not even bother with the landlord.

 

Any suggestions how we can proceed in this matter would be greatly appreciated as I really cant afford to pay for something I am not responsible for.

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We did register for council tax for our current property and will be able to provide records to that effect but I am unsure this will help as the council will say we were liable for both properties as we could have been staying in both properties at the same time.

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i work for a local council and as far am aware you can not be charged for 2 properties at the same time. You should be able to get the bill amended, but don't go through balliffs go to the council office for the bill to be amended and for the council to recontact balliffs. You might find the balliff charges will still stand, you could could put in a appeal at the council office, depending if you notified the council at the time you moved out? the council should change the records and make your old landlord liable and the bill go to him

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I have contacted Glasgow City Council who have been very helpful again and have advise dthey are going to investigate further and confirmed that we have been paying council tax in our current property from 4th August 2006 and if we can provide a final phone bill and proof of removal of household items (i.e. rental van receipt) then we would qualify for a unoccupied property exemption.

 

Hopefully this will resolveour issue. Ill keep you posted...

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Thanks daviesjlee I have now recevied a letter from GCC advising that there had been a mistake and that no further action will be taken on the account so £120 saved.

 

I am very surprised though as we did not provide GCC with any documentation from BT or proof that we had moved our possesions from the property as they had requested for the exemption. The only thing I can think is the landlord provided a copy of the lease to GCC but I would be amazed if that had happened.

 

The second letter we received on the same day as the GCC letter was from BCW advsing my partners wages would be arrested if we did not pay up but one phone to BCW confirmed they also have the issue as resolved. now just need to fight with them to get a letter confirming this as apparently "BCW do not do letters" as I was helpfully advised by one of their sterling advisors.

 

Suppose that will be a post for another day :D

 

Thanks once again one and all.

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Hi

I have joined this in the hope that someone out there can help me.

 

This is a long story so please dont go

I recieved a commital to prison letter in may of this year for a poll tax bill, yes poll tax 1989/1990 and community charge bill for the year 1990/1991 amounting to £184.00.

I got in touch with Liverpool City Council and asked what this was about as I was then in full time employment, working FOR LIverpool City Council and paying my poll tax through attachment of earnings. They then said that it was my resposibility to make sure I was paying enough and as I was not (according to them) it is my fault. As I have not kept bills or reciepts for18 years I have NO way of proving I paid enough so asked them to send out a statement. I recieved the statement and on it was another bill for 1994 for council Tax to the amount of £115.00.

 

I pointed out about the statute of limitations law that says you can not claim a dept over 6 years unless it has a liability order on them and apparently they have (ALL NEWS TO ME.)

 

I then got a visit off the baliffs and because I have told the council that I am fighting this through the C.A.B. My costs are going up and the baliffs are being not very nice, and to top it off I have just heard from the C.A.B. that Liverpool City Council are now saying I owe nearly £900.00 from the year 1989 until the year 1996.

 

I relise that I have a huge battle ahead of me this has been going on since may, as I will be taking on the goverment. The reason being that when the statute of Limitations law was put in to force it was obviously voted on by our mps and Lo and behold who is exempt from that law.

 

1) Council Tax

2) Benafits

3) Income Tax and Tax Credits

 

all goverment related. I know I am getting a bit on my high horse and losing the plot as I need to sort out my council tax first BUT I thought it was us who run the country not the goverment that ran us. I don't remember it being a dictatorship.

 

So before I go in to that battle (with I hope an army) I need to know if anyone knows of anything I can do over this council tax dept that I knew nothing about.

 

Please Please help if you can I would really be very grateful.

 

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