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    • Good morning,    I just wanted to update you on the situation.    I have visits piling up with my current employment and they need doing before I finish at the end of this month.  I am moving to Wiltshire in 3 weeks for a new job helping care homes with their Dementia patients. I tried to work it out and at a guess I will be doing about 20-25,000 miles a year. So need a vehicle that can cope with that mileage, my old car would have done it easy but 🤷‍♂️ I have taken out a loan and got a friend to find me a reliable car that can cope with the miles and hasn't been written off in the past.   I phoned Adrian flux to see if I could use the last months insurance on a new car I have bought, the girl I spoke to phoned Markerstudy and asked them but they said no, my new car doesn't have any modifications.    I had an email from someone who saw one of my appeals for information, they live near the site of the accident and know a nearby farmer who has a security camera at his entrance that catches the traffic and specifically registration plates as he has been robbed before. They said they would reach out for me and see if he still has the data. Unfortunately it wont catch the scene of the crash.   The Police phoned me and said they were closing the report I made, even if they found footage of the vehicle at the time I said the actual incident would be my word vs theirs.  My first response was I am sure google maps would show that they turned around at that location which would verify my version of events, but upon reflection I do understand, I have seen people doing make up with both hands while driving, eating from a bowl steering with their knees and veering all over the place. I am sure some of these people go off the road and claim that someone forced them off.    Markerstudy phoned me yesterday to say that my car is now at Copart, the £80 tank of Vpower diesel was emptied on entry to the site for safety reasons, which I get but it sucks.  It is awaiting being assessed and shouldn't be too long, which is a relief.  I am really glad things do not seem to be going the way of the other stories and they seem to moving quickly.   However I was informed that my car was a structural write off before I bought it - this destroyed me, I was almost sick.  and this is going to affect any offer of money - after hearing the first statement this didn't affect me.   They need to wait for the assessor to check it over but it is highly likely to be written off and the maximum they can offer is £2300.  I was desperate for a car as I was working for an agency at the time, no work no pay, and did not do a vehicle check because I didn't know about them.  The seller did not tell me that it had been structurally written off, he told me that it had the front wing damaged while parked and was repaired at an approved repairer.  Markerstudy records state that it was sold at auction, no record of repair at an approved repairer.  I bought it bank transfer with hand written receipt.    It gets worse.    It turns out my airbags should of gone off. For some reason they are not working. I think we can figure out why.  If I had hit that car head on and had no airbags.    Some good news.    I can arrange a time with Copart to go and take my stereo equipment and any personal items that are left in the car only. I cant live without music and need quality sound, my speakers and amps are Hertz and JLaudio, (no I am not a boy racer with booming subs, I am an audiophile on a budget) I was really worried I wouldn't get them back so this is a huge relief for me. It is stuff I have built up over years of saving and collecting. Everything to do with the vehicle and mods I have declared need to stay to be assessed.   The accident has gone as a fault on my record, I have to remove 2 years NCB which means I still have some to declare which is good.  So it appears at this point that it may be resolved quickly, not in the way I was hoping, but not as bad as I presumed it was going to be based upon that tow truck drivers attitude and behaviour and the horror stories I read.   I am not going to buy the car back and try to make money with all the parts on it, I don't have the time or energy.   I may need an xray on my back and neck.  The whole situation has left me feeling physically sick, drained and I need it done.   The lesson learnt from this  -  My conscience is 100% clear, my attitude to safety and strong sense of personal responsibility - A rated tyres even if on credit card, brake fluid flush every year, regular checks of pads and discs, bushes etc, made avoiding what I believed to be a certain broadside collision possible.   Get a dashcam (searching now for the best I can afford at the moment)  -  Research your insurance company before you buy  -  Pay for total car check before you go and see a car and take someone with you if you are not confident in your ability to assess a vehicle.      Thank you to everyone here who volunteers their time, energy and information, it is greatly appreciated.  You helped my sister with some advice a while ago but we weren't able to follow through, she is struggling with long term health conditions and I ended up in hospital for a while with myocarditis, when I got out and remembered it was too late.  I am going to make a donation now, it is not a lot, I wish I could give more, I will try to come back when things are on a more even keel.    Take care
    • It seems the solicitor has got your case listed for this “appeal” but not for the Stat Dec(SD). You need to ensure you can perform your SD on the day. If you are able to make your SD in court, the situation you are in now is more straightforward than if you made your SD via a solicitor. You have been convicted of two offences (and two were dropped) via proceedings of which you were not aware. The way to remedy that is to perform an SD. No appeal is necessary (nor is it available via the magistrates’ court). If you are able to make your SD this is how I see it panning out: You will make your SD to the court. The court must allow you to make it as it will have been made within 21 days of you discovering your convictions. You will then be asked to enter pleas to the four charges again. At this point you should plead not guilty to all four but make the court aware that you will plead guilty to the speeding charges on the condition that the FtP charges are dropped. The prosecutor will be asked whether or not this is agreed. In my opinion the overwhelming likelihood is that it will be. If it is you will be sentenced for the two speeding offences under the normal guidelines. In the unlikely event it is not accepted,  the speeding charges will be withdrawn (they have no evidence you were driving). You have no viable defence to the FtP charges and so should plead guilty. This will mean 12 points and a “totting up” ban (as you have already suffered). You can present an “Exceptional Hardship” argument to try to avoid this (explained below).   Because of this, I don’t see any need to make an argument to ask to have any ban suspended (pending an appeal to the Crown Court) unless and until you are banned again. The only reason I can think the solicitor suggested this is to secure a (Magistrates')  court date. I was surprised when you said you had an appointment so quickly; a date for an SD usually takes longer than that. However, if you can use it to your advantage, all well and good. I can’t comment on the argument that the two speeding offences were committed “on the same occasion” as I don’t have the details. That phrase is not defined anywhere and is a matter for the court to decide. It’s an interesting thought (and only that) that such an argument could equally be made for the two FtP offences. If the requests for driver’s details arrived at your old address at the same time, with the same deadline for reply, it could be argued that you failed to respond to them both “on the same occasion” (i.e when the 28 days to respond expired) and so should only receive penalty points for one. Hopefully you won’t need to go there. I think you have information about avoiding a “totting up” ban. But here’s the magistrates’ latest guidance on "Exceptional Hardship" (EH) which they refer to: When considering whether there are grounds to reduce or avoid a totting up disqualification the court should have regard to the following: It is for the offender to prove to the civil standard of proof that such grounds exist. Other than very exceptionally, this will require evidence from the offender, and where such evidence is given, it must be sworn. Where it is asserted that hardship would be caused, the court must be satisfied that it is not merely inconvenience, or hardship, but exceptional hardship for which the court must have evidence; Almost every disqualification entails hardship for the person disqualified and their immediate family. This is part of the deterrent objective of the provisions combined with the preventative effect of the order not to drive. If a motorist continues to offend after becoming aware of the risk to their licence of further penalty points, the court can take this circumstance into account. Courts should be cautious before accepting assertions of exceptional hardship without evidence that alternatives (including alternative means of transport) for avoiding exceptional hardship are not viable; Loss of employment will be an inevitable consequence of a driving ban for many people. Evidence that loss of employment would follow from disqualification is not in itself sufficient to demonstrate exceptional hardship; whether or not it does will depend on the circumstances of the offender and the consequences of that loss of employment on the offender and/or others. I must say, I still do not understand what the solicitor means by “As a safeguard we have lodged the appeal and applied to suspend your ban pending appeal due to the time limit for being able to automatically appeal without getting leave of the Judge.” When they speak of “leave of the judge” I assume they mean they have lodged an appeal with the Crown Court. I don’t know what for or why they would do this. It seems to follow on from their explanation of the “totting up” ban. If so, I’m surprised that the Crown Court has accepted an appeal against something that has not yet happened. But as I said, i is no clear to me. Only you can decide whether to employ your solicitor to represent you in court. If it was me I would not because there is nothing he can say that you cannot say yourself. However, I am fairly knowledgeable of the process and confident I can deal with it. That said, I do have a feeling that the solicitor is somewhat “over egging the pudding” by introducing such things as appeals to the Crown Court which, in all honesty, you can deal with if they are required. I can only say that the process you will attempt to employ is by no means unusual and all court users will be familiar with it. I can also say that I have only ever heard of one instance where it was refused. In summary, it is my view that it is very unlikely that your offer to do the deal will be refused. If it is accepted, you may be able to persuade he court that the two speeding offences occurred "on the same occasion" and so should only receive one lot of points. Let me know the details (timings, places, etc) and I'll give you my opinion. Just in case your offer is refused, you should have your EH argument ready. Whether it's worth paying what will amount to many hundreds of pounds to pay someone to see this through is your call.  Let me know if I can help further.    
    • This must be part of the new tactic from Evri.  They know they are going to lose. They take it to the wire and then don't bother to turn up in order to save themselves costs and of course they don't give a damn about the cost to the British taxpayer and the extra court delays they cause. This is a nasty dishonest company – but rather in line with all of the parcel delivery industry which knows that their insurance requirements are unlawful. They know that their prohibited items are for the most part unfair terms. They know for the most part that a "safe place" is exactly what it means – are not left on somebody's doorstep in full view. They know that obtaining a signature means that they have to show the signature not simply claim that they received a signature. They are making huge profits especially from their unlawful and unenforceable insurance requirement. Although this is less valuable than the PPI scandal, in terms of the number of people who are affected nationwide, PPI pales into insignificance. I hope the paralegals working for Evri are proud of themselves and they tell their families what they have done during the day when they go home.
    • Your PCN does not comply with the Protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9[2][a] (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The only time on the PCN is 17.14. That is only  a time for there to be a period there would have to be a start and and end time mentioned. of course they do show the ANPR arrival and departures  times but that is not the parking period and their times are on the photographs not on the PCN. They also failed to comply with S.9[2][f] as they omitted to say that they could only pursue the keeper if they complied with the Act. That means that they can only pursue the driver as the keeper cannot be held liable for the charge. As they do not know who was driving and Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person they will struggle to win. Especially as so many people are able to legally drive your car and you haven't appealed giving them no indication therefore of who was driving. Small nitpicking point-the date of Infringement was 22/04/2024. They appear to be saying that they can charge an extra amount [up to £70 ] if they have to use a debt collector. You do not have a contract with a debt collector so they cannot add that cost. You paid for four hours so it can only be the 15 minutes they are complaining about. You are entitled to a ten minute minimum grace period at the end of the parking period which would be easier to explain if the car park had been bigger. However if you allow for two minutes to park and two minutes to leave that gives you one minute to account for. Things like being held on the way out by cars in front waiting to get on to Northgate or even your own car being held up trying to get on to Northgate at a busy time. then other considerations like having to stop to allow pedestrians to walk in front of you or being held up by another car doing a u turn in front of your car. you would have to check with the driver and see if they could account for an extra one minute things like a disabled passenger or having to strap in a child . I am not advocating lying since that could lead to serious problems [like jail time] but there can be an awful lot of minor things that can cause a hold up of a minute even the engine not starting straight away or another car being badly parked as examples. Sadly you cannot include the 5 minute Consideration period as both IPC and BPA fail to comply with the convention that you can include that time with the Grace period.  
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Ok in a nutshell we followed all the procedures, last letter back from Abbey said they needed more time - 8 weeks! - to investigate our "complaint." (Thats after the initial four weeks they always tell you it will take.) We wrote back telling them they had 14 days to pay up or we would go to court (following the template letter, and offering to accept a slightly lower amount, without prejudice.) The 14 days was up yesterday, but we have heard nothing. Is this going to be a tough one, considering the amount involved? Do you think they are going to throw everything they can at us to stop the claim? We are so worried about going to court, that one false move or incomplete paperwork will mean we lose the £250 court fee and any hope of the £7,500, which plus statutory interest is over £9,000. We are going to buy the lawpack and the book on small claims, but any reassurance or guidance from anyone here would really be appreciated.

 

Thanks all from very worried, and probably soon to be, ex-customers of Abbey

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Hi ohoh,

 

Join the queue, I've just sent off my court bundle to them and claiming about £8.5K, there was a winner on here last week who accepted £9.1K, so it's not an unusual amount your claiming

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Thanks for the reassurances - it has helped me calm down a bit, but still dithering!

So do I wait for them to reply or do I just go ahead with court, considering they are outside of the 14 days? Then do I tell them I've started proceedings or not? I've read so much about what to do but find it really scary in practise!

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Go ahead with the court proceedings - They won't come back to you - they are hoping you just fade away into the woodwork because you are so frightened about going to court - they are doing the same to all of us - Write your particulars of claim out and post it on here for people to doublecheck - we've all been there and we can help you along the way - I'm a little further on than you - I've just received the defences from Abbey for both the accounts I'm pursuing and I'm now waiting for the AQ forms

 

Good luck and stay strong - My friend has just won nearly £4K today against First Direct because they forgot to submit the defence!!!! - you can do it

 

Oh and don't contact Abbey about starting the court case - save your postage - they will find out soon enough when they get the claim from the court!!!!

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Oh and by the way you need to use the N1 procedure for this amount of money not MCOL - Take a look in the library for all the templates

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Oh and by the way you need to use the N1 procedure for this amount of money not MCOL - Take a look in the library for all the templates

 

Wow, thanks - did wonder about MCOL because of size of claim, but couldn't find any info on alternate ways till now. Printed off form to work out what to put on it, found exactly what I needed to write from another post, so thank you thank you thank you!

 

Do I have to take the forms to my local court personally to be processed when they are done then? And also, I created a Schedule of Charges initially to send to Abbey showing the 8% interest also, but I didn't put what each charge is for. Do I need to that, and is that Schedule sufficient for the court claim, or do i need to include all the bank statements as well? Sorry for being thick but like everyone I have only one chance to get it right.

 

Last thing (!) - the Schedule I did has the interest calculation as at 11th May, the day I was sending it to Abbey. Do I need to recalculate it all (help, it took me a whole day to do!), to the date of submission to the Court, or will that be done automatically?

 

Seriously appreciate any help.

 

Thanks so much x

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Are you not using the spreadsheet from the library for your schedule of charges? - if not why not? it makes life so much easier as you go through the process as you only have to update one field and it automatically calculates the interest for you

 

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The link above should take you to all the templates in the library - The schedule of charges needs to have some sort of description - I just used Unpaid Direct Debit, Unpaid Standing Order, Returned Cheque etc - which appears to be sufficient

 

When you submit your N1 - you need to include the schedule of charges with the interest updated to the date you take it into court - don't include your statements at this point - that goes in your court bundle which is later in the process.

 

I would also put your particulars of claim on a seperate sheet as well as they tend to be longer than the space given on the N1 form - Then on the form itself just put "Particulars of Claim Attached" or something similar

 

Also don't forget - this documentation needs to be in triplicate - One for you, one for the court and one for Abbey - The court seal is put onto all of them and returned to you

 

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Thanks AmeythystDragon - now I need to pick your brains a bit more!

 

I am very new to this site, and originally used the calculator from MoneySavingsExpert.com to compile my spreadsheet, but it will be easy to transfer the data from mine to this one.

 

On the post I read re the N1 claim form, it said to leave the "value" box on page 1 blank - is that correct?

 

The Particulars of Claim I cribbed from said post are as follows:

 

1. The Claimant has an account - a/c no xxxx - ("the Account") with the Defendant which was opened on or around (date).

2. During the period in which the Account has been operating the Defendant has debited numerous charges to the Account in respect of purported breaches of contract on the part of the Claimant. The Claimant understands that the Defendant contends that the charges were debited in accordance with the terms of the contract between itself and the Claimant.

3. A list of the charges applied is attached to these Particulars of Claim.

4. The Claimant contends that:

a) The charges debited to the Account are punitive in nature; are not a genuine pre-estimate of costs incurred by the Defendant; exceed any alleged actual loss to the Defendant in respect ofany breaches of contract on the part of the Claimant; and are not intended to represent or relate to any alleged actual loss, but instead unduly enrich the Defendant which excercises the contractual term in respect of such charges with a view to profit.

b) The contractual provision that permits the Defendant to levy such charges is unenforceable by virtue of The Unfair Contract Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations (1999), The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977, and common law.

5. Accordingly, the Claimant claims:

a) the return of all amounts debited in respect of the afore-mentioned charges in the sum of £xxxx, and any interest charged thereon;

b) court costs;

c) interest pursuant to Section 69 of The County Courts Act, as set out on the attached Schedule of Charges, or at such rate and for such periods as the Court deems just.

 

Is this sufficient/acceptable?

 

Thanks again - I really ought to pay you a commission!

 

Regards

 

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on page 1 it says

VALUE (type nothing her

CHARGES.(total of what they have charged you)

OVERDRAFT INTREST(this is what they have charged you in od charges. iv found most people have left this as is diff to calculate)

INTREST UNDER S69 (this is were you put total of 8% int)

COURT FEE (150.00 if below 5k 250.00 above check court cost)

TOTAL (charges+ od interest+ court fee+8% int)

hope this was what you were after

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Thanks badboy - yes I was wondering about leaving "value" box blank. On the N1 form it doesnt ask about overdraft interest, but to be honest it doesnt amount to much and is too difficult for me extract the correct figures, but I am quite happy going after the "Shabbey" for 7.5 k plus statutory interest - total figure £9,500 - that will do!

 

Thanks so much for your help, and good luck to you

 

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Oh my goodness! Have just checked account online, and there are 15 "miscellaneous fee refunds" credited today, totalling a paltry £430. They have given me no notification of this, and seeing as my claim is for £7500, I am pretty damn angry!

 

What should my next course of action be? Should I query it with them, or still go ahead with court claim?

 

Please help - I would have rathered they had done nothing than this!

 

Any help much appreciated

 

Thanks

 

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Hi Jo,

 

I would keep that seperate as you can always claim them after you have sucessfully beaten Abbey the once!

 

You could contact the court and ask about putting in a revised schedule of charges. However this costs money and can confuse and delay your original claim.

 

By all means though give Abbey a call and ask them what they are for!

 

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Thanks for that Leecabs.

 

But I am still in the process of asembling everything for the court claim - haven't actually filed yet, so do I deduct these charges from the claim? And if I do, I don't even know which ones they are refunding, which makes the interest calculation difficult, if not impossible (I could take them from 2001, say, and they could say they were from 2004), meaning I lose out on the interest for the oldest ones, if you se what I mean.

 

My head is spinning and I really am stuck. I think I will call the Abbey telephone banking and see if I can get some sense out of them. (not hopeful!)

 

In the meantime, if anyone else has had, and resolved, a similar problem I would love to hear about it, so I can stop doing the "headless chicken" thing!

 

Thanks all

 

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Im sorry I got a bit confused didnt realise you meant refunds durr!

 

Sorry was having a blonde moment well I would proceed with your claim with your original schedule of charges!

 

You need to send a rejection letter stating that you can only accept this money as part of your full claim. Read the below section on rejecting offers:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/25716-rejecting-offers.html

 

Sorry if I confused you, just keep at them!

 

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Ok, so telephone bankinhg have no idea what these refunds are for - what a surprise!

 

Quote: "there is probably a letter in the post to you regarding them. If not you will have to write to Banking Services and ask for an explanation."

 

Probably a letter in the post? Have to ask for an explanation??!!?

 

I am getting angrier by the minute - these "refunds" constitute just over 5% of the total claim - I call that an insult! And where do they get off just putting it in my account without informing me? I cant accept/reject something I haven't even been officially offered.

 

If I touch this pittance, does that constitute acceptance by default?

 

PLEASE HELP! I feel as though they have me cornered, and I really would appreciate any advice on this.

 

Thanks

 

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Hi again Jo,

 

I would fire off a pre-emptive rejection letter for the total amount of these refunds by special delivery.

 

Not sure if you touch the money whether that is deemed as acceptance, as long as you dont touch until your rejection letter has been recieved by Abbey I think you should be ok.

 

Its annoying but I would imagine you will get a letter from Abbey regarding this by tomorrow or Monday by the latest.

 

Bottom line for now I would leave a minimum of the total amount of refunds (£430) in the account, just until Shabbeys intentions have been made clear.

 

Has anyone else got some advice for Jo regarding this situation please?

 

All the best

 

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Hi OHOH

 

I wouldn't worry about which charges the refunds are relating to. Just take the refunded amount off the total rather than try to cancel out exact charges.

 

Abbey did the same to me and I just thanked them for the Goodwill gesture but explained that this was in NO WAY Full or Final settlement and carried onto MCOL. If you have already started your claim I would just write to the court and ask them to attach an amended sheet of charges to your claim with the explaination that Abbey have credited your account as a Gesture of Goodwill without prior agreement with yourself.

 

Wouldn't amend the actual charges list just stick another line on the bottom to show the credited amount and then on the next line the new amount now being claimed.

 

Hope this helps.

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Right, I have just spoken to Josh in the Abbey Complaints Dept., to be told that £430 is a GoGW which they think is a fair amount! £430 out of £7,500? I don't think so!

 

But I kept very calm and just politely asked why I had not been informed they were doing this, and why I could not decline the offer BEFORE the money was put in the bank?

 

Apparently there should be a letter to me about it, but they think it is a "nice way" to do things, oh and by the way, quote "the money is yours now whatever you decide to do!" Whoop dee dooo!

 

"Are you declining this offer then?" Josh asks. (Well what the hell do you think!) "I am afraid so" I politely reply. "OK then, we will have to move your claim onto Stage 2." Put on hold for 5 minutes. "Hi there, ok I have moved you onto Stage 2, and you will hear from us in the next 5 working days."

 

So what now? If I file at court before I have received their "Stage 2" letter, whatever that might be, do I compromise the situation by not allowing them time to write to me, or what?

 

Does anyone know what Stage 2 actually is? He wouldn't go into to details, just said I would have to wait for the letter.

 

Help/Advice/Anything PLEASE!!!!

 

Thanks

 

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Thanks Leecabs and feater - was writing my latest post while you were replying to me!

 

Cheers for the advice and reassurance.

 

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Have you sent a the Prelim letter and your Letter Before Action (Steps 2 to 4) yet? Ignore there stages and stick to the ones listed in the below step by step link:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/faqs-please-read-these/31460-example-step-step-instructions.html

 

Dont forget to get that rejection letter fired off asap.

 

Go get them!

 

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Yep I have followed all the procedures - last letter on 15th May was LBA, giving them till 29th to cough up or else!

 

Just compiling letter now - will go Special Delivery 3pm this afternoon to be delivered before 1pm tomorrow. Tempted to be rude and tell them where to stick their £430 (!) but of course I won't be :D

 

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This could almost be funny:

 

Postman was really late today, but when he came there were TWO letters from Abbey.

 

One is dated 4th June, and is from the Banking Specialist Team - standard letter saying their charges are correct etc etc and offering me £480 as a goodwill gesture (this includes £50 of charges for last month where I went £4 over the overdraft, that they have magnanimously cancelled!)

Also says case is closed in essence, unless we respond within the next eight weeks.

 

The other letter is dated 5th June, and is from Complaints Dept., and it says that although it has been 8 weeks since we first contacted Abbey, the investigation is still on-going and they are unable to give a full response just now!

 

Case of right hand/left hand me thinks!

 

Anyway, I have sent a response today by Special Delivery, quoting the two letters and asking them to clarify what exactly is going on.

I also wrote:

 

However, notwithstanding our confusion, we hereby decline this offer as full settlement of our claim, but, as the interest we are entitled to claim if the case goes to court is accruing daily, we are prepared to make a final offer of settlement, namely:

 

"Standard without prejudice paragraph for the original lower figure we offered to accept, less the £480."

 

For the avoidance of doubt, should we not receive £6,375 within 14 days of the date of this letter, we shall commence proceedings through the County Court without further warning.

 

Don't suppose this will provoke any reaction, but hopefully will look good in Court, if it goes that far, that their letters contradict each other, and also that we tried again to settle before court proceedings.

 

Any thoughts/suggestions welcome.

 

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You go Jo!

 

Hey least you got a bit back I havent had so much as an offer of £1 let alone £480 yet!

To be honestI hope Abbey just sleep walk through my claim and forget to acknowledge and then forget to defend (Fingers Crossed)

 

Take care :)

 

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