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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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    • First, the Entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract. so it only  is an offer to treat.  Second, the sign does say % hours free without mentioning that it is also the maximum time one can stay. it would be logical to presume that there would be a fee for staying longer-but not £100. Looking at the PCN-as usual it does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. First it does not specify the parking period since their figure includes driving from the entrance to the parking space, then later driving from the driving space to the exit. Second it does not inform the keeper that the driver is expected to pay the charge Section 9 [2]] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; What that means is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge-only the driver is. As anyone with a valid insurance can drive your car they will have difficulty proving who was driving especially as you haven't appealed. In addition the Courts should your case get that far, do not accept that the driver and the keeper ae the same person. So just relax and ignore all their threats even from their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors.  Just do not ignore a Letter of Claim if you get one of those-come back to us so that you can send a snotty letter.
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hi need a little help as im new to this. Ive sent out all the normal letters even called the bank to give them one last chance but was basically told to do one!! now starting to do my mcol but struggling.

Do i need to some how attch a list of the charges with my mcol?

Does it matter if the mcol is just in my name but the account is in joint?

would be grateful for the advice

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sorry to be a pest to everyone but since finding this site a week ago ive realised what a fight the banks are putting up !! i suppose i thought it would just be a walk in the park anyway does it matter if the mcol is for a lower amount than originally asked for? The letters i sent to the bank were for £5530.00 not including interest which when added made it more than £6000.00 but as im a student nurse i can not afford to pay the 250.00 costs of a mcol but if i only claim 5000.00 the cost is120.00 which i am hoping to be able to pay by the end of the month. glad to hear so many people have won their cases and good luck to all those who are still trying!!!

would be so grateful for all and any advice :eek:

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Hi, Just read the post above, have you thought of breaking it up i.e... claim 2007- 2004 now then the rest at a later date? then you're not losing out?

Only problem is to cover yourself if you are claiming for a different amount i would suggest doing the lba again.

Its totally your decision but it gives you another few weeks and it covers you?

send the lba for half the amount now, give them 2 weeks before MCOL, then file for 1 half of your total. Then money permitting file the other at a later date.

Just keep the dates clear in the lba.

Hope that helps

Jen

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Hi,

When youve done your mcol, post a copy of your schedule to mcol and your bank, with mcol send a cover letter asking it to be filed with your claim, remember to put your mcol ref number which you will get when the claim is done.

Jen

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Have a read here just in case you are exempt. Its always worth checking...

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/helpful-external-links/63-county-court-fees-exemptions.html

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hi jen yes i did follow all the steps in fact i repeated the last one and rang them up after not hearing from them on the final letter. sorry abit thick when it comes to abreveations :| thanks again

nicky

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Any one know if it makes a difference if the account is in joint name and if u can make a mcol in joint name or does it have to be one? also if i ever do finally win this back and the cheque comes in joint name can i put it into a bank account in just my name as at the min he does not have one and he just uses mine?

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Hi, You're not being thick...do'nt worry.

My claim is in joint names but all letters etc have been in my name only. mcol in my name and when you get your cheque as long as your name is on it it should be okay...if in doubt add his name on your acc if thats possible?

jen

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Thanks for the advice ive filled out my mcol just got to wait 2 weeks till i can afford to pay and then send it off. On the list of charges that u have to send to u need to put what there for or just the date and amount as my list just has this at the min but i can change it, and do u think they will settle out of court or do they like dragging people all the way?

Again thanks for all the help!!!:D

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Hi, I've just put the date and amount but others have put which it was i'e failed dd, bounced chq etc. I am sure they will settle my claim is abit tricky as its more than 6yrs but if you keep reading the threads, A&L are settling all the time.

Jen

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Well good luck with yours let me know how u get on!! i must admit i thought they may of settled before now i even sent them a letter offering to taken a lower amount but they still said no! thanks again

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Hi, heres my link...

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/alliance-leicester/56153-hi-all.html

 

I refused a settlement of half the amount just after i filed mcol, but i was really nervous. It was nice having the cheque for a short while....

Good luck..I've subscribed to your thread so i'll keep up to date with you...

Jenny

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Yes, this happened ysterday morning..

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/90246-first-victory-lloyds.html

 

Here is the link to the thread as it was one of our guys.

But dont worry too much about it and carry on with your claim as normal.

 

Also this is just 1 which isnt clear cut, against the thousands of wins.

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Hi has anyone else had a REALLY silly offer from alliance and leicester accompanied by a letter on how the courts are now looking at this in a different light? i did this morning my claim is for £5535.00 and they want to offer me £52.31 as this amount is apparantly the difference between a £12 charge and what they ve charges me!!!!! what a joke!!! Dont think im even going to lower myself to reply to that one but would be interesting to know if this is normal

 

Nicky

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Hi, I've not had this but the way they act doesnt surprise me, for every 1 person who gets this far.....dozens give up. Keep confidence in yourself and your claim.

Jen

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Thanx Jen, Dont know if im excited or nervous!! but these little things keep playing with my nerves. The letter they sent was very well worded on how their solicitors have been told that judges will start looking at this the same as credit cards and therefore will not have to give a full refund. It 's enough to put any one off !!!

 

Nicky

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Hi Nicky, My letter was similar i.e bank charges were lawful and therefore un-claimable...the oft was talking about ccards so my claim was not realevant*(spelling???).

But i did have a nice chat with a&l today. Going to court was not even mentioned so hopefully we'll get a offer soon, but £52 is taking the p***!! They are acting like its not serious enough to them which could be a good thing???

Jen

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Hi I wouldnt mind but they havent even done their maths right, £52 is not the difference between what they charged me and this magical £12 anyway!!! Well should be filing my mcol tues so here i come!!!!:evil: :evil:

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NEED A LITTLE HELP!!!!!

Ive filed my mcol and have looked on the site today and its asking me to choose from two options

1) Judgement by default

or

2) judgement by admission

 

What does this mean and which one do i choose???

This is getting scarey now :o :o

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Hi Nicky, These are what to choose when A&L's time is up...If you click on either, it wont let you do anything till their 14 or 28 days are up.

Hope that helps

 

Jenny

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