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Got a question for you all, but before I do, I want to state that IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO AVOID PAYING MY DEBT.

 

Right, got that out the way, so my question.

 

If a DCA or other party fails to produce a properly executed agreement, defaults on CCA and passes the 40 day mark, would a debtor be justified in reducing any payment they make to a £1:00, sending it as a Gesture of Goodwill (or whatever), each and every month?.

 

For some, this may be an important step/way/method of getting the finances under control.

 

The floor is, as they say, open.

Good luck to each and all.

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It's only legally a debt if the person/s providing the funds, to make a reasonable profit from their investment, follow and adhere to the laws of this country regarding the provisions of their service.

 

The law is crystal clear:

(6) If the creditor under an agreement fails to comply with subsection (1)--

(a) he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement; and

(b) if the default continues for one month he commits an offence.

 

And as such, that's the reason we have regulatory bodies such as The Office of Fair Trading and Trading Standards to enforce these laws.

 

If you want to pursue paying regardless, is it worth using the information that they are in a poor legal position to get a heavy discount to have the debt marked as settled? i.e. If they know they can't enforce, offer them £1 to settle the account and maybe mention the OFT...?

 

Just my 2p ;)

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Thanks Dave

My thinking was that if I were to offer a payment of some sort, then if the DCA 'found' the correct paperwork, and a resolution regarding an offer failed. DCA proceds to court, the offer of £1:00 stops the DCA from saying the debtor was trying to avoid the debt, and the court would? look favourably towards the debtor.

As everyone keeps saying, It's only enforcable while the DCA DONT have the correct paperwork, and a lot of contributers to the forum appear to feel that you shouldn't run from your debt ( me too as it is, but I dont mind reducing it lol)

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Thanks Dave

My thinking was that if I were to offer a payment of some sort, then if the DCA 'found' the correct paperwork, and a resolution regarding an offer failed. DCA proceds to court, the offer of £1:00 stops the DCA from saying the debtor was trying to avoid the debt, and the court would? look favourably towards the debtor.

 

Non-compliance of a CCA request is a complete defence in any court claim that is issued against you. While a DCA remains in default, you are therefore within your rights to withhold payment (after 12 working days from receipt of your request).

If the DCA does come up with a CCA, (properly executed), you can consider making payments then, but no court would see you as avoiding a debt for the time that a DCA is unable to come up with any legal evidence to support their claim to it.

 

As everyone keeps saying, It's only enforcable while the DCA DONT have the correct paperwork, and a lot of contributers to the forum appear to feel that you shouldn't run from your debt ( me too as it is, but I dont mind reducing it lol)

 

If a DCA cannot substantiate their legal right to collect, then you are within your rights to run as far as you like. ;)

 

 

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In many ways, I think it is a very smart move to offer a 10% F&FS when the DCA goes over its 12+30 limit. It prevents anyone turning up the paperwork in four years time.

 

That's a wise suggestion. I agree with this.

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but what if you cant come up with the 10% remember, some people are disputing debts of many thousands of pounds here.

Me Vs AA/Blair Oliver - Defaulted on CCA, Committed Criminal Offence, started chasing payment

 

Me Vs Great Universal - Wrote off the 2k balance, couldnt supply docs

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/74209-me-littlewoods-catalogue.html

 

My Friend Vs Lowell Portfolio - Balance written off, all action stopped!

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/75075-my-friend-lowell-victory.html

 

My Friend Vs Empire Catalogue - Balance Cleared

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/75713-my-friend-empire-droyds.html

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but what if you cant come up with the 10% remember, some people are disputing debts of many thousands of pounds here.

 

Of course that's true but circumstances can change quickly.

 

The principle of it is good though.

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In many ways, I think it is a very smart move to offer a 10% F&FS when the DCA goes over its 12+30 limit. It prevents anyone turning up the paperwork in four years time.

 

If it makes a person feel more secure by offering a F & F, then fair enough. A person has to do what feel's right for them... I won't be offering anything though.... and if any docs. do appear four years or so down the road, then I will deal with it then.

 

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If it makes a person feel more secure by offering a F & F, then fair enough. A person has to do what feel's right for them... I won't be offering anything though.... and if any docs. do appear four years or so down the road, then I will deal with it then.

 

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But going down the road they only have another five years, ten months and three weeks (approx) to find it then the Limitation Act comes into effect.:D

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But going down the road they only have another five years, ten months and three weeks (approx) to find it then the Limitation Act comes into effect.:D

 

I also have it in writing that they no longer have it !! :-D

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well that was an interesting thread, but what I was surprised at was that no one suggested SAR then claim it all back!!

 

But I do see the point of offering an F&F which is what I was/am considering IF circumstances allow. My trouble is, is knowing I'll have a sum to offer, just don't know exactly when 'cos its from an inheritance thats currently in probate.

 

Saying that, I have also considered waiting it out for S of L, but .....

it's a right moral dilema, legally I know it's not enforcable, but theres a part of me that says 'pay up, you used the money/services. aaargh

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well that was an interesting thread, but what I was surprised at was that no one suggested S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) then claim it all back!!

 

 

Believe me, if it was as simple as that, I would have done it.

 

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being really thick here but this looks important. do you mean if the dpa is not adhered to and they go past the 40 day mark (as mine have) then you can ask for all the debt owing to be paid off?

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I have had Lowells harrass me for nearly 4 weeks until i sent them a CCA request, they have failed as over 60 days have passed and they havent been back in touch since, i havent a problem not paying them as they bought the debt probably for peanuts and TBH it wasnt that much anyway and probably had as much charges in the balance. We all have thoughts on this issue but ask yourself this, when they put their unlawfull charges on the balance did they consider you!

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If no CCA is sent then you are in a good bartering position.

Say you have a debt of £2000 and you can claim back £1200 in charges I would try to negotiate a full and final of £1200. Get it in writing and then claim back your charges.

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I personally wouldn't be so generous in such a case. Debt of £2000, minus £1200 unlawful charges = £800 debt. DCA probably purchased the debt for around 10% which would be about £200. The DCA is in default and cannot enforce the debt, and if the 30 days have passed have committed an offence. I think 10% of the real debt amount would be more than generous to offer as F & FS to the DCA under these circumstances. I'd offer £80 (as bluedannyw says on an ex-gratia basis).

This is what I intend to do when my DCA goes over the 30 days :)

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How does it work if they haven't purchased the debt. I'm in this position with arc europe and Capquest. They have both committed a criminal offence now. But still keep chasing. They won't accept 10% as its not there debt.

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if its not their debt and they have committed an offence, you dont have to pay them a single penny

Me Vs AA/Blair Oliver - Defaulted on CCA, Committed Criminal Offence, started chasing payment

 

Me Vs Great Universal - Wrote off the 2k balance, couldnt supply docs

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/74209-me-littlewoods-catalogue.html

 

My Friend Vs Lowell Portfolio - Balance written off, all action stopped!

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/75075-my-friend-lowell-victory.html

 

My Friend Vs Empire Catalogue - Balance Cleared

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collectors-debt-collection/75713-my-friend-empire-droyds.html

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In many ways, I think it is a very smart move to offer a 10% F&FS when the DCA goes over its 12+30 limit. It prevents anyone turning up the paperwork in four years time.

 

That's spot on. Exactly my thoughts and 10% is the max i would offer them.

 

Maybe start at 5% and go up?

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