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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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I sent to Barclays my first letter(DPA.)ASKING FOR LIST OF CHARGES ETC,I ENCLOSED MY CHEQUE FOR £10.00.I also telephoned to confirm receipt of letter ,which they had received,now after 2 weeks i have heard nothinfg whatso ever.Is this the norm for Barclays.?

 

They have 40 calender days to comply.

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apparently they have had loads of these letters and are now swamped....they are over the 40 days with me so I'm gonna complain now...

 

give them the 40 days and then maybe give them a call to see what's going on then send another letter

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S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent - 30/1/2007

Prelim letter sent asking for total of 1571.52 - 15/3/2007

LBA sent 30/3/2007

court papers filed

Offer letter received - £1495.13

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I just added them to my claim at the time of filing my claim.

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JBD issued - 27/07/06, warrant issued 08/08/06

First Direct

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Citi Financial

Offer of difference betwen £30 and £12

GE Capital - Evans Card, Data Protection Act

Argos Card, DPA

Barclay Card, 8th May-DPA, 14th July- 2nd DPA (asking complete history!!)

Egg Card & Egg Loan,DPA

NatWest Card

LBA

Vodfone

3rd letter re: default

Studio & Ace

Prelim for Studio e-mailed

 

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Are Barclays renowned for being slow?

My DPA letter was sent out ,and after 21 days i finally received confirmation from them to acknowledge the claim etc.After all the waffle the bottom line said that "they would send the information that i require within the 40 day statutory period"This will be in about 10 days time.Do Barclays play the game of keeping it going to the last minute .?

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Being about half way through a claim,and not wanting to confuse the issue,would it/is it possible to complete an ongoing claim,then issue another claim for charges going back more than 6 years.

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OK thanks zootscoot.Just a few quistions regarding this.

1/how far can i go back..ive been with Barclays 20 years now.

2/are there any templates to send to Barclays asking for charges in excess of 6 years.

3/would i have to send another DPA letter with the 40 days period to send copy of statements prior to 6 years.

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You can go back as far as they hold statements on you. If you used the SAR template from this site this does not limit the request to 6 years and to comply with their obligations under DPA they are obliged to send all info they hold on you. If they have not done so they have not complied so send the non compliance letter and point out that they need to send all statements irrespective of date. You would not need to give a further 40 days.

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Thanks zootcoot.

When i sent off my SAR letter i received a reply from Barclays informing me that they do not have copy statements in excess of 6 years... is this bull?

Also, i used the SAR from this web site but (looking back in hindsite)put in my letter that i wanted the statements for a 6 year period from March 07 to March 01.Has this messed up trying to claim in exess of 6 years in 1 go?If so i think ill have to go the riskier route of an additional claim.

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Im considering sending to Barclays a 2nd SAR letter for statements from 1988 to 2001.What do you reckon my chances are ?.

To get back charges from 1988 to 1993 would be really good as this was by far my worst time financial period in all my working life.Thanks

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I rang them up and at first they claimed they only hold records for 6 years, but after a bit of a discussion it was 12 years. I just rang up and asked, so no need for a SAR. They are sending me all the statements in the post, free of charge (again after first lot pre 6 years, you would think they would learn :rolleyes:). Try it, if it doesnt work, go with a SAR.

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I could do with some advice on something thats concerning me.

At present im 12 days away from Barclays reaching the 40 day dead:| line on the SARS request for 6 years of statements .Having read on one of these threads that Barclays hold 12 years of statements etc, i will without doubt be applying for the remainder of those 6 years.The problem i have is in my timing....do i ring Barclays up and ask for the remainder 6 years to be sent to me ,or do i complete this current claim and then start again with a new one for the other 6 years.If i phone them and ask for a further 6 years of statements ,will this affect my current deadlines of 40 days/prelimary letter ,or even possibley non compliance SAR letter .Thanks

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you will probably find they will reject your second request as you have recently made one [ another member is looking into this as we think there may be a restriction on claiming over and over in a short period of time]

 

I dont know if you have done this before, but i would suggest you use your present claim to get the experience as I believe that the claim for beyond 6yrs is going to be a little rougher.

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No ,i havent done anything like this before....well i did my own endowment against Eagle Star and got what i was after,but nothing like this.Ok, so if i contact Barclays via phone and ask for a further 6 years of statements ,what woud be the best way to tackle the 40 day deadline in connection with my present claim...should i ignore the 40 days and just wait until i get all 12 years statements,and then proceeed as i was intending with my preliminary /Lba / claim approach?

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if you want to request 12 years before proceeding, you wil have to re submit your SAR as a new request, you might be lucky and have it handled by someone who doesnt know you have already requested it.

but your deadline will be restarted.

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Ok,so if i submit another SAR,would this be a request for 12 years of statements ,or a request for 6 years(1995 to 2001)as an additional amount of statements.Should the SAR be worded any different to show that its a new request.

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If you used the template SAR letter from this site, then you asked for a complete list of your banking history, not just 6 years. So, they haven't complied fully with your SAR.

 

They sent me the six years bundle, which I was happy with at the time. Now I've decided to try and go as far back as possible, so I sent them a SAR non-compliance letter (again, from the template library) saying that I didn't just ask for 6 years info, so could I have the rest, please?

 

I'm still waiting....

 

but in the meantime, my original claim goes on!

 

D.:D

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