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    • If anybody has any advice here, it would be greatly appreciated, I already suffer with pre-existing disabilities & have struggled with this so far. 
    • so return of goods order etc etc read upload  scan pages to jpg, redact in mspaint. the convert to and merge to one mass PDF  read upload and use the online listed sites for all 3 stages. do you want to keep the car? i will guess this was a manual paper claimform direct from the co.court or was it org sent from salford bulk processing and has just got reaq ssigned?      
    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue –  29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM 1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached  2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00. The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month. 3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement, Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us. Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement 9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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My account was first opened sometime in the mid seventies as a trusteee account while I was still a little nipper. This was signed over to me when I was 16. I then promptly spent the entire contents on cigarettes and alcohol in an alarmingly short period of time. At this point there were no DD's or anything. I didnt even have a cash card and had to go into the bank with my 'book' to withdraw money so there was, unfortunately, no opportunity to accumulate charges.

In 1992 I started Uni and converted my account into a student account which came replete with a student overdraft. I held the account until 1999 whereupon I was forced to leave in disgust at their poor treatment of my dire financial straits and join the mighty Lloyds. During this time I had also been offered, and had gladly accepted a Natwest Visa card and a MasterCard, each with a thousand pound limit. Suffice to say they were pretty soon at their limits and one would presume incurring charges. It was these chains around my neck, and the demands for immdeiate repayment of said chains, that forced me into the arms of Lloyds when Natwest refused to offer me a graduate loan in order to consolidate my overdraft and visa cards.

 

Quite how much I was charged on my account and credit cards during this period I do not know, nor can I even estimate, as the haze of alcohol that was consumed during this period of my life has clouded all memories.

To what little memory that remains I abused my cheque on a monthly if not weekly basis for the last 3 or 4 years the account was open.

Fortunately I kept all statements for account and cards. Unfortunately in a fit of spring cleaning frenzy a few years ago I threw them away in the mistaken belief that they could not possibly be of any further use to me. How foolish I was and the lesson has been learned. I will never ever through anything away again.

 

So you can imagine how delighted I was to learn that Natwest hold account information back to at least 1992. I have since located an old, and surprisingly unused, cheque book giving me my account details but have been unable as yet to find anything with my credit card numbers on.

 

Next steps:

1) Carry out a search of all my boxes of cr*p for the missing credit card numbers.

2) Fire off the SAR for all information held on my accounts and creditcards

3) Get my money back

 

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GOOD LUCK.

A person is only as big as the dream they dare to live.

 

 

Good things come to he who waits

 

 

Its your money taken unlawfully from your account and you have a legal right to claim it back.

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Is that a fact that NatWest officially hold records that long ago?

 

And are they bound to supply them?

 

Is this something to to with the concealment argument?

 

Has anyone managed to get statements that old out of them

 

I could retire if I could reclaim all my charges ever ever from NatWest :o

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Is that a fact that NatWest officially hold records that long ago?

 

And are they bound to supply them?

 

Is this something to to with the concealment argument?

 

Has anyone managed to get statements that old out of them

 

I could retire if I could reclaim all my charges ever ever from NatWest :o

 

Hi, I would also be interested to know if Nat West do hold records that far back, because after sending of the SAR, I eventually got my statements but they only sent statements from Feb 2001 onwards when in fact my account was opened with them from about 1997, but they did not send any info prior to feb 2001????:o Should they sent me the other info?

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the SAR letters have stated that statements are acceptable for the last 6 years and the answer is yes on personal accounts info will go back that far.

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I've just realised that my SAR template is a shoddy old bit of rubbish from somewhere else before I found this site, asks only for six years and nothing about manual interventions and the like, sheesh

 

New super CAG one going off to Barclays and Smile and Natwest tomorrow morning to get the extra six years, super

 

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the SAR letters have stated that statements are acceptable for the last 6 years and the answer is yes on personal accounts info will go back that far.

 

 

Hi Nattie,

Thanks for your response, but I checked the SAR letter (template) again and nowhere does it say anything about 6 years, well the one that I used didnt, this is what it read:

 

Please supply me with a complete list of transactions and charges relating to my banking history with your organisation. Alternatively, a complete set of statements for that period will be acceptable.

So am I right in thinking that if I have paid for this info and I have held an account for say 10 years then the bank should have supplied all of account history for that 10 year period:?:

 

 

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they have changed the template, or i have read too many that say 6 years.

 

 

No Problem, I am sure that you have have been so busy with all of this that by the end of the day your head must be spinning ....:p

 

But Keep up the good work:D

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Bong has very kindly started a thread here which details how far back different banks have been able to supply statements. For instance Abbey hold theirs as far back as 1926. Basically if they have them then they have to give them to you. They might try to deny they have them so you must include in your SAR sometheing along the lines of:

 

Please provide the following:

Where any previous information or records held have been deleted or disposed of, the methods used to do so, including dates, certificates or references confirming details of destruction. Where you are unable to provide such certificates, please provide a declaration, signed by an authorised officer of your company, confirming the dates and methods of destruction of this data

 

A good starting point for claiming back beyond six years is here.

 

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I havent been able to find anything with CC numbers on so sending SAR out tomorrow regardless. Will have bank account no. and sort code so they should be able to find out my credit card accounts. failing that, when/if I get statements through my CC numbers should be on there as they were paid from this account.

 

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Retail Regulatory Risk

2nd Floor

Cornerstone

60 South Gyle Crescent

Edinburgh

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135 BISHOPSGATE

LONDON

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My modified SAR is below and should ensure I get everything I need from them

 

Date: 17th April 2007

 

F.A.O. The Data Controller.

 

Re: Subject Access Request, Data Protection Act 1984 / 1998

 

Former Addresses:

 

Current Address:

 

Account Number: xxxxxx

Sort Code: xxxxxxxx

 

Visa Card Account Number: Unknown

 

MasterCard Account Number: Unknown

 

I understand that you currently hold details of my personal and financial information within your internal record systems dating from 1992.

 

I would be grateful if you would provide the following: -

 

  • Full copies of all contracts which you believe exist or have existed between myself and your organisation, including true copies of any documents you hold in support of same.
  • A complete list of all transactions or statements relating to my bank accounts and credit card accounts with your organisation. For the avoidance of doubt microfiche has been deemed to be a relevant filing system for the purposes of the Data Protection Act and is therefore subject to the 40 day ruling for DPA disclosure c.f. The Information Commissioners Office (ICO) rulings against both Abbey National and Barclaycard on microfiche disclosure.

  • Copies of all documents which include any of my personal information including copies of any contracts or invoices, emails or computer records containing my personal information, or any records which pertain to this information.

  • Full copies or transcripts of any computer logs or database records kept in relation to myself or in relation to my financial or personal information.

  • Full copies of any correspondence in postal, email or any other format which you have entered into with any individual, organisation or third party which contains my personal or financial information, or which pertains to myself.

  • Where any previous information or records held have been deleted or disposed of, the methods used to do so, including dates, certificates or references confirming details of destruction. Where you are unable to provide such certificates, please provide a declaration, signed by an authorised officer of your company, confirming the dates and methods of destruction of this data.

  • Full hard copy print outs of any of my personal or financial information held in a digital, magnetic or any other format which is held in any archives, backups or other storage devices / locations.

Where reference to emails is given above, these emails should be taken from your email servers or backups / archives held in a magnetic or digital format. These emails may not be present on a user’s local system, and may require the assistance of your IT department / IT providers, who you should contact immediately for their provision.

 

Under S.40 of The Administration of Justice Act 1970, if you believe you have provided my information to any organisation, agent, or individual who could, or may have used it for unlawful purposes, you should contact me immediately, and provide full details of their identification and address, together with full details of any instructions you have provided to them. If you have forwarded or communicated my personal or financial information to any person, company, or organisation, please provide a copy of the authority, signed and dated by myself upon which you have relied prior to doing so. As requested above, you should provide copies on any such communications.

 

 

Under the Data Protection Act 1984 / 1998, as a Data Controller, you are responsible for the complete retraction of all information provided to any third party, should I request you to do so, and have a duty to myself to ensure that any personal or financial information I have provided to you is kept securely, and is only communicated to those to whom I have given my express permission / authority.

 

I enclose a cheque / postal order in the sum of £10 to cover your fee. If you are unable to deal with this request, you should immediately forward it to the person within your organisation responsible for Data Protection. If you do not provide the information requested within the given time limits (40 days) under current Law, a complaint will be registered with the Information Commissioners Office and the Office of Fair Trading.

 

I look forward to hearing from you in the first instance.

 

For means of identification I enclose the following. Note that these documents are of a confidential nature and should not be disclosed to any third parties or used by yourselves for any purposes other than the verification of my identity. Once this process is complete these documents should be destroyed or returned to myself forthwith.

A Copy of my Passport.

A Copy of my driving license. Note the address shown on my driving license is that of my second registered address with your organisation.

If you require further documentation for the means of identification then please contact me detailing your requirements.

 

 

Yours Sincerely

SKB

 

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Even if it went to the wrong address, no need to worry. All Nasty West to is pass letters on to the right department through internal mail. So it might have taken 2 to 3 days longer to get to where it was supposed to be, but they will have gotten in, rest assured........... you can stop worrying now. Lol

 

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Its update time:

 

I received a letter from NatWest on 2nd May stating that they were unable to progress my subject access request for the following reasons:

 

1) Need to include a fee of £5.00 which will cover all accounts requested (I had enclosed a cheque for £10 which they have returned).

 

2) They require the sort codes and account numbers of all accounts requested. It is apparently not possible to trace accounts from name alone (I had included the sort code and account number of my account but not my credit cards as I don't know them).

 

I haven't been able to reply to this yet as im off work and don't have a printer at home but will be firing off a response next week. As they need account numbers for the CC's i'll leave these for now and just get bank account statements - I paid my CC's from my bank account so the numbers should be on the statements.

 

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Hey SK, this should help http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/natwest-bank/28533-how-find-account-number.html Nattie very kindly posted the codes that Nat West staff can use to find old accounts!!!! A re-worded letter to them may be in order!!! xx :p

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