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    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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Nice to see you back again Lat......... if Bill has to pay for freaky's face job that'll be Microsoft bankrupt....:rolleyes: be none left for you (or me come to that.........:) )

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Boy - have you got a problem - even Bill Gates can't afford to get you out of this one freaky LOL! ;):D

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Hello all,

 

A couple of quick questions,

 

1.it is reported that the likely hood of a quick decision folllowing appeal is out of the questions and rumours of a TWO Year time scale for us all to actually see the money. What is the likely hood for this becomng reality?

2.Since m initial claim i had have the odd charge applied to the same account, should the judgement go in our favour, would the monies automatically be reversed?

3.Where charges have been applied and people have not made a case, how do they stand? would they also recieve a credit?

 

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Hiya Bill :) you haven't sent me my thousands of dollars for all of the emails I have sent that Microsoft are tracking :D but seriously...

 

 

A couple of quick questions,

 

1.it is reported that the likely hood of a quick decision folllowing appeal is out of the questions and rumours of a TWO Year time scale for us all to actually see the money. What is the likely hood for this becomng reality?

These are best estimates of time scales based on how long it has taken other similar cases to clarify legal arguments in the high court. Ignoring any other factors I think it is quite likely to take this long although the judge involved does seem concerned about the time factor and is trying to push things along.

 

2.Since m initial claim i had have the odd charge applied to the same account, should the judgement go in our favour, would the monies automatically be reversed?

Before the test case when we got to the point of talking about settlement figures the banks used to add any further charges that had been incurred after the claim had been submitted to the court to the settlement figure, in other words updating the claim to the point of settlement. I don't see why this would alter after the test case.

 

3.Where charges have been applied and people have not made a case, how do they stand? would they also recieve a credit?

The banks will obviously pay back the people who have asked for their money first, If you haven't asked for a refund I'm not sure where you will stand.

 

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Hi bill,:)

I think I (and pete) would advise anyone who has not made a case to start one...... even if it doesn't get to the court stage before settlement of the OFT case it would be 'in the queue' so to speak....... and I suspect the banks will get away with saying 'If you haven't claimed we can't pay you' .......given the wimpishness that seems to be enmanating from OFT at the moment .. :rolleyes:

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