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You pushed me to look at all our MET cases going back till June 2014. That's 10 years so at that point I got sick & stopped! MET have never, ever taken a Cagger as far as a court hearing in all that time. As scribbled above, they have issued court papers a few times but have always bottled before the hearing. In one exceptional case the motorist didn't even have to defend - the judge chucked out the case due to rubbish Particulars of Claim. Sadly in two cases MET got a judgment because the motorist didn't file a defence to the claim. But in one of the cases MET still didn't get their money as the person said he was elderly, didn't need credit and would rather put up with a CCJ than pay MET! So that's who you're dealing with - paper tigers. They do court in maybe 5% of cases but even then bottle before it gets to a hearing. Anyway, let's see what writing to BP produces. -
Any update here? MET started a court case recently against a Cagger concerning this very site and EV charging - and then bottled it and discontinued the case before the hearing. It would be useful for others to know what happened in your case.
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The important thing to know is that MET - although they will send you threat after threat about how they will divert a drone from Ukraine and make it fall on your home - hardly ever do court. Even in the very small number of cases where they send court papers, if the Cagger defends, they drop the matter before the hearing. They have no real intention of putting their rubbish claim before a judge. The aim is to find motorists who are terrified of the idea of going to court and who will give in when the court papers arrive. Thanks for doing the sticky and well done on finding F18's thread. Do what they did. On the first page - I think post 19 - there is the address of the CEO of BP. Write to them, lay it on thick about being genuine customers in the various premises, mention the small kids, the very short stay time, attach any proof of purchase - and request that they get the invoice cancelled.
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Thank you for that, I have obviously already been convicted so I think the appeal lodged is for the previous offence? Sorry if that doesn’t make sense. I suppose my only concern is that weds I go there and they don’t let a stat dec happen. If they do then as you say and solicitor says it’s highly likely I’ll be happy with the outcome. But I’m being told there’s no guarantee for the stat dec to be hard Weds as that’s not what the hearing is proposed for. Solicitor has stated that you can put a stat dec before a magistrates at any time so it shouldn’t be a problem.
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