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    • I found that the parkin attended has a car with CCTV camera on it, however as I stated earlier, it seems that he did not take video of my car otherwise they would have stated so in the SAR. parking car .pdf
    • The rules state that "approved devices may only be used in limited circumstances"  I was not a threat. I was not present. I did not drive away. I think he has not fulfilled the necessary requirements justifying issuing me a PCN by post therefore the PCN was issued incorrectly and not valid.  What are your thoughts?  
    • I have also found this:  D.2 Service of a PCN by post: 54) There are some circumstances in which a PCN (under Regulation 10) may be served by post: 1) where the contravention has been detected on the basis of evidence from an approved device (approved devices may only be used in limited circumstances) 2) if the CEO has been prevented, for example by force, threats of force, obstruction or violence, from serving the PCN either by affixing it to the vehicle or by giving it to the person who appears to be in charge of that vehicle 3) if the CEO had started to issue the PCN but did not have enough time to finish or serve it before the vehicle was driven away and would otherwise have to write off or cancel the PCN 55) In any of these circumstances a PCN is served by post to the owner and also acts as the NtO. The Secretary of State recommends that postal PCNs should be sent within 14 days of the contravention. Legislation states that postal PCNs must be sent within 28 days, unless otherwise stated in the Regulations. This from London Councils Code of Practice on Civil Parking Enforcement.  The question is what is an approved device? Certainly, he had the opportunity to place the ticket on my car and I didn't drive away.  I looked further and it seems that an approved device is a CCTV camera - It seems that the photos taken were not actual film but images and it is not clear if they are taken from a video or are stills. I'm guessing if it was moving images then the SAR would have stated this.    From the Borough of Hounslow website: "There are two types of PCN issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004, which governs parking contraventions. The first is served on-street by a Civil Enforcement Officer, who will observe a vehicle and collect evidence before serving the PCN either by placing it in a plastic wallet under the windscreen wiper, or by handing it to the driver. The second is a PCN served by post, based on CCTV footage taken by an approved device, which has been reviewed by a trained CCTV Operator."   From Legislation.gov.uk regarding approved devices: Approved Devices 4.  A device is an approved device for the purposes of these Regulations if it is of a type which has been certified by the Secretary of State as one which meets requirements specified in Schedule 1. SCHEDULE 1Specified requirements for approved devices 1.  The device must include a camera which is— (a)securely mounted on a vehicle, a building, a post or other structure, (b)mounted in such a position that vehicles in relation to which relevant road traffic contraventions are being committed can be surveyed by it, (c)connected by secure data links to a recording system, and (d)capable of producing in one or more pictures, a legible image or images of the vehicle in relation to which a relevant road traffic contravention was committed which show its registration mark and enough of its location to show the circumstances of the contravention. 2.  The device must include a recording system in which— (a)recordings are made automatically of the output from the camera or cameras surveying the vehicle and the place where a contravention is occurring, (b)there is used a secure and reliable recording method that records at a minimum rate of 5 frames per second, (c)each frame of all captured images is timed (in hours, minutes and seconds), dated and sequentially numbered automatically by means of a visual counter, and (d)where the device does not occupy a fixed location, it records the location from which it is being operated. 3.  The device and visual counter must— (a)be synchronised with a suitably independent national standard clock; and (b)be accurate within plus or minus 10 seconds over a 14-day period and re-synchronised to the suitably independent national standard clock at least once during that period. 4.  Where the device includes a facility to print a still image, that image when printed must be endorsed with the time and date when the frame was captured and its unique number. 5.  Where the device can record spoken words or other audio data simultaneously with visual images, the device must include a means of verifying that, in any recording produced by it, the sound track is correctly synchronised with the visual image.
    • Hearing took place today.  Case dismissed with costs awarded. Neither UKPC or a representative turned up.  Apparently they messaged the court on 7 May asking for their case to be considered on paper.  Never informed me, which was criticised by the judge as not following procedure.  I was really annoyed as I would have preferred for the case to be thrown out before the hearing, or at least face them in court and see them squeal.   They are just playing a numbers game and hope you blink 1st!   Ended up having to change my flight, but  the costs awarded softens the blow. Was asked to confirm it was my signature on both the witness statement and supplementary statement.  Wasn't asked to read them, said she could see my arguments made and the signs were insufficient and no contract formed. Took maybe 10 mins in total.  Judge did most of the talking and was best for me just to keep quiet or confirm any statements made. Happy to have won as a matter of principle and have costs awarded. Maybe not worth all the time and hassle for any newbies or the technologically challenged.  But if you are stubborn like me and willing to put in the time and effort, you can beat these vultures! I big shout out to everyone who helped on the thread with their advice and guidance, special mention to FTMDave, thank you sir!  Really appreciate everyone's efforts. All the best!
    • I plan to be honest to avoid any further trouble, tell them that the name should be changed to my official name
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would i receive anything from mcol telling me the case has been moved, as they state on the website they received the defence and are moving to local court, however that was last wednesday and still havent heard anything

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it might take a while, but it will happen, you will receive notification soon enough :-) I think that they are inundated - cant imagine why

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Lula v Abbey - Settled

Lula v Abbey (2) - Settled

Lula v Abbey (3) - Stayed

 

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Hi ICY,

Lula's right,the courts are inundated at the moment.Both of my cases are held up in the backlog and I've just got to sit and wait-bit frustrating though.

Glad

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Afternoon Icy,

 

This is the hardest bit now waiting, waiting & even more waiting! You can spend the time reading up on the next stage OR you can chat to us angels!!!;) or both of course! :p LOL

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I feel pretty confident i know what to expect next stage, and like i say i really dont mind waiting i am not in desperate need of the money, so the longer they have it the more they are gonna have to give me back.

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I have just had a though, is it worth me contacting someone at abbey in an attempt to reach a settlement as it stands today including interest (8%) and court fees the figure owed is £2,104.62 If i contacted them and offered to settle for £2,000 what do you reckon the response would be, the charges themselves only amount to £1,722 so i would be more than happy with £2k They seem to like cutting off their nose to spite their face, had they paid up when i first asked they would have saved themselves a few hundred, and of course it continues to rise daily.

 

Plus of course when it goes to court i will be claiming transport costs and for prep of bundle and ink/copying ect which should amount to a pretty figure, so it makes sense for them to cough up, just not sure how i could word it, if i had an idea how long before it would likely arrive at court then i could guess at what the final figure could be

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ICY.........

 

I hope to God you have an efficient filing system to cope with all your claims and a van from Securicor on hand ;):D

srfrench :eek:

 

Fight incompetance, stupidity, greed and unfairness......There's no excuse and no place for it in society, unless they really are! :wink:

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hehehe, i just cant wait till the rest of the statements come so i can get them added up too lol, i am loving this, its like some new form of sport, and so very addictive lol

 

apparently m-i-ls barclays account should be a belter as apparently they have been applying a £8 per day charge for months lol

 

very effedtive filing system i have, which is actually extremely unusual for me, as i tend to lose nearly everything.

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BUMP Anyone have any advice and possbily an email address ???? :)

 

I have just had a though, is it worth me contacting someone at abbey in an attempt to reach a settlement as it stands today including interest (8%) and court fees the figure owed is £2,104.62 If i contacted them and offered to settle for £2,000 what do you reckon the response would be, the charges themselves only amount to £1,722 so i would be more than happy with £2k They seem to like cutting off their nose to spite their face, had they paid up when i first asked they would have saved themselves a few hundred, and of course it continues to rise daily.

 

Plus of course when it goes to court i will be claiming transport costs and for prep of bundle and ink/copying ect which should amount to a pretty figure, so it makes sense for them to cough up, just not sure how i could word it, if i had an idea how long before it would likely arrive at court then i could guess at what the final figure could be

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Would someone please look over this draft email before i send it and let me know if anything should be added or removed please

 

Claim number XXXXXXX

Acc No XXXXXXXXXXX

 

I am writing this email as a final offer of settlement before the case appears before the court, i am making this offer in an effort to reduce the costs to yourself before i prepare the bundle, which as you will be aware will also incur you additional costs. I am aware of the large amount of claims which you are currently dealing with and to assist your workload, i believe it would help all concerned to settle this matter out of court.

 

It is well documented that you have no intention of ever going to full hearing, shown by the fact that you have settled X??? number of claims at the last minute before going to court, and it would be beneficial to all parties, including the court system that this matter is dealt with out of of court.

 

You will be aware that the courts are now starting to dismiss the allocation questionaire, and upon receiving notification of AQ being dismissed in this case i shall be writing to the court requesting the strike out of your proforma defence as an abuse of process.

 

My claim amount as of today stands at £2104.98 including court fees and interest, i am prepared to settle this matter for the sum of £2100 (Two thousand One hundred pounds) just incase she gets confused lol i am sure you are well aware this figure is rising on a daily basis, and will increase with the cost of completed the bundle, preperation of the bundle including photocopying costs and ink costs and the cost of time to prepare the bundle, further court costs and transport and postage costs. As you can see settling this matter now, would be mutually beneficial, This is the least amount i am prepared to settle for, for any avoidance of doubt refusal to settle will not stop the legal action against you, i will be following the legal process to the end.

 

This settlement offer is valid for a period of 7 days, after this period has expired, the matter will be dealt with by the court system.

I am hoping we can come to an amicable agreement on this matter.

 

I look forward to receiving your prompt response

 

yours ..... blah blah blah

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sorry who said that lol

 

 

think i will just send it anyway, cant hurt anything and i havent marked it w/p so i can show it to the judge to prove i keep giving them oportunity to settle

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slightly amended it to read as follows before i sent it

 

Claim number X

Acc No X

I am writing this email as a final offer of settlement before the case appears before the court, I am making this offer in an effort to reduce the costs to yourself before I prepare the bundle, which as you will be aware will also incur you additional costs. I am aware of the large amount of claims which you are currently dealing with and to assist your workload, I believe it would help all concerned to settle this matter out of court.

It is well documented that you have no intention of ever going to full hearing, shown by the fact that you have settled an extremely large number of claims at the last minute before going to court, and it would be beneficial to all parties, including the court system that this matter is dealt with out of court.

You will be aware that the courts are now starting to dismiss with the allocation questionaire, and upon receiving notification of AQ being dismissed in this case I shall be writing to the court requesting the strike out of your proforma defence as an abuse of process.

My claim amount as of today stands at £2104.98 including court fees and interest, I am prepared to settle this matter for the sum of £2100 (Two thousand One hundred pounds) I am sure you are well aware this figure is rising on a daily basis, and will increase with the cost of completing the bundle, preperation of the bundle, including photocopying costs, ink costs, and the cost of time to prepare the bundle, further court costs and transport and postage costs. As you can see settling this matter now, would be mutually beneficial.

This is the least amount I am prepared to settle for, for any avoidance of doubt refusal to settle will not stop the legal action against you, I shall be following the legal process to the end.

This settlement offer is valid for a period of 7 days, after this period has expired, the matter will be dealt with by the court system.

I am hoping we can come to an amicable agreement on this matter.

I look forward to receiving your prompt response

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Gues what i just got

 

Dear Sir

 

"Without Prejudice"

 

Thank you for your email.

 

I am instructed to reject your offer and make a counter offer to you in the sum

of £1683.98. Payment would be made without admission of liability by Abbey.

Payment would be in full and final settlement of your claim. Payment would be

made into your account (if open) or posted to you. Upon receipt of the

settlement monies we would ask you to please write to the Court withdrawing your

claim and provide to us a copy of your letter. Should you wish to accept this

offer, please advise by return in order that payment can be processed.

 

Kind regards,

 

Inga Kirkman

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