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    • Morning dx and thank you for your message.   With regards to your comment about them not needing to produce the deed, the additional directions ordered by the judge included 'a copy of any assignment o the debt or agreement relied upon'  so that is why I thought that point was relevant?
    • Sorry for the long post but I don't want to miss out any relevant information: My wife bought a car from Trade Centre UK and have been having nothing but trouble with it. Unfortunately we paid of the finance used to buy the car as we weren't expecting this much trouble with the car as we we though we would have protection as buying from a dealer. We are wondering if we can still reject the vehicle since the finance plan has been paid off. Timeline is as follows: 13/12/2023 -15/12/2023 Bought car from Trade Centre UK for £10548 £2000 deposit paid on credit card on 13/12/2023 £8548 on finance from Moneybarn (arranged through Trade Centre UK). picked up car on 15/12/2023 Also bought lifetime warranty for £50/month 25/12/2023 Engine Management Light comes on. The AA called out and diagnosed the following error codes: P0133 - Lambda sensor (bank 1, sensor 1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Slow reaction. Error sporadic P0135 - Lambda sensor heat. circ.(bank1,sensor1) Oxygen Sensor. Error Message : Component defective Due to it being Christmas took a few days to get through to them but they booked me in for 28/12/2023 to run their own diagnostics. 28/12/2023 Took car in to Trade Centre so could check the car – They agreed it was the Oxygen Sensor and Booked me in for repair on 30/01/2024. I was told they had no earlier slots, and I would be fine to carry on driving car when I said I was afraid of problem worse. During diagnosing the problem, they reset the Engine Management Light. During drive home light comes back on. 29/12/2023 - 29/01/2024 I carry on driving the car but closer to the date, engine goes to reduced power every now and again – not being a mechanic I presumed that this was due to above fault. 20/01/2024 Not expecting any more problems paid off the finance on the car using personal loan from bank with lower interest rate. 30/01/2024 Trade Centre replace to O2 sensor (They also take it on a roughly 60mile road trip which seems a bit excessive to me – I can’t prove this as something prompted me take a picture of milage when I handed car in but I forgot take one on collection – only remembered next day.) 06/02/2024 Engine goes in reduced power mode again and engine management light comes on – Thinking the Trade centre’s 28 day warranty period was over I booked the car the into local garage for the next day to get problem fixed under the lifetime warranty package. Fault seems to clear after engine was switched off. 07/02/2024 In the Morning, I take it to local garage who say as the light gone off – the warranty company is unlikely to cover the cost of the repair or diagnostics and recommend I contact them when the light comes back on. In the evening the light comes back on and luckily I manage to get it back to the garage just before it shuts for the day. 08/02/2024 The Garage sends me a diagnostics video showing a lot error codes been picked up by their diagnostics machine including codes for Oxygen sensor and Nox Sensors, Accelerator pedal and several more. Video also shows EGR Hose not connected to the intake manifold properly, they believed this was confusing the onboard system as it is unlikely this many sensors would trigger at same the time but they couldn’t be certain until they repaired the hose. 13/02/2024 Finally get the car back as it took a while to get approval and payment for the repairs from the Warranty company. Garage told me to keep an eye the car as errors had cleared with the hose but couldn’t 100% certain that’s what caused the problem. 06/03/2024 Engine management light comes on again. Fed up I go into Trade Centre as I was just around the corner when it happened and asked them how to reject the car or have the problem fixed. They insist that as it’s over 28 days I need to get the car fixed under the warranty package I purchased and they could no longer fix the car as it was over 28 days. When I tried telling them it appeared to be the same or related problem they said they couldn’t help as I hadn’t contacted them earlier. I asked them if they were willing to connect the car to the diagnostics machine and tell me what the problem was, as a goodwill gesture, which he agreed to do and took the car to the back He came back around 30 minutes later and said they took a look at the sensor they replaced previously and there was nothing wrong with it and engine management light went off when they removed the sensor to check it. When I asked what the error code he couldn’t give me an exact fault but the said it one of the problems I told him earlier (Accelerator pedal). I have this visit audio recorded on my phone – I informed the reps I was recording several times. As the light wasn’t on, local garage couldn’t book me for a repair under warranty. 07/03/2024 Light came on so managed to book back into local garage for the 12/03/2024 Whilst waiting to take car into garage, I borrowed a OBD sensor and scanned for errors on the car. This showed the following errors: P11BE – Manufacturer specific code (Google showed this to be NOX sensor) P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow 12/03/2024 Took car to local garage and the confirmed the above errors. This leads me to believe that either Trade Centre UK reps lied and just reset the light or just didn’t check properly (Obviously I am unable to prove this) 22/03/2024 Finally got the car back as according to garage, the warranty company took a long to time to pay for the repairs 28/04/2024 Engine management Light has come back on. Using the borrowed OBD scanner I am getting the following codes: P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow P2138 - Accelerator Position Sensors (G79) / (G185): Implausible Correlation I have not yet booked into a garage as I wanted to see what my rights are in terms of rejecting the car as to me the faults seem related. I can’t keep using taxi or train to get to work every time the car goes into the garage as it is getting very expensive. Am I right in thinking that they have used up their chance to repair when they conducted the repair end of January or when they refused to repair it in February ? If I am still able to reject the vehicle could you point to any sample letters or emails I can use. Thankyou for your advice on my next steps.
    • Ok noted about the screenshot uploads. In terms of screwing up I had one previous ticket that defaulted and ended up in a CCJ from Southend airport because for some reason during COVID I didn't receive their claim form just a notice of default. This hospital ticket was the 2nd ticket that went to CCJ due to a lack of knowledge of the process. Maybe it's easier just to pay them in future I'm thinking though, I don't get them very often anyway
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    • please stop posting up unnecessary unnamed screenshot files  you've done it throughout your threads and we have to renamed them. RENAME THE FILE before you upload if its just text information like a defence or a claim history or a link to a previous post  type it here not by an unnamed screenshot attachment  . sorry NM but you've been here dealing with PPC claims since 2021 somehow you always manage to screw up.......or do totally the opposite of std repeated advice on 10'000 of PPC threads here you are your own worst enemy... dx  
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Hello all,

 

I am new to the forum and hope someone can help.

 

Just before Christmas my car was towed from a disbaled parking space in Manchester at about 9.45 at night. Most of the street is standard parking bays and I was running late so just parked in the first space I saw, as it happens there were plenty of "legal" spaces on the same street but I managed to park in the disabled spot.

 

So after working out that my car had been towed rather stolen I went and paid the release fee of about £150. I wondered if there were any grounds to try and get my money back based on any of the following points...

 

a> the car was removed even though it was not causing an obstruction

 

b> it seems as though the car was towed within a very short time of it

being spotted. Maybe within an hour

 

c> the parking sign did not have any times marked on it, it simply said something like "disabled parking only", the rest of the street is free parking after 6pm.

 

I wouldn't normally bother too much about it as I was parking illegally and certainly deserved a ticket but being towed away late at night when there were loads of other empty parking spaces (standard and disabled) on the street just seems a bit extreme.

 

The other thing which was on my mind is that if the same thing had happened to my girlfriend she would have been stuck in a dodgy area of Manchester, on her own in the middle of the night which seems like a very harsh punishment for such a small mistake!

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

Jim

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a> the car was removed even though it was not causing an obstruction

 

- Yes, it was. It was stopping a disabled person from parking in a spot reserved for them. Whether there were other avaialble spaces is irrelevant.

 

b> it seems as though the car was towed within a very short time of it

being spotted. Maybe within an hour - Irrelevant. They could tow you away after 5 mns, and still be totally right to do so.

 

c> the parking sign did not have any times marked on it, it simply said something like "disabled parking only", the rest of the street is free parking after 6pm. - A disabled space is 24/7, because disabled people are disabled 24/7.

 

I wouldn't normally bother too much about it as I was parking illegally and certainly deserved a ticket but being towed away late at night when there were loads of other empty parking spaces (standard and disabled) on the street just seems a bit extreme. - Irrelevant.

 

The other thing which was on my mind is that if the same thing had happened to my girlfriend she would have been stuck in a dodgy area of Manchester, on her own in the middle of the night which seems like a very harsh punishment for such a small mistake! - Small to YOU, not small to the disabled person who might not have been able to park. The fact that there were other free parking spots is, yet again, irrelevant. One would hope that your g/friend would be less careless, for her own safety.

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Thanks for the reply M but I was hoping for a bit more constructive info about towing laws rather than what seems to be your personal opinion of my misdemeanour. The "disabled people are disabled 24/7" comment was particularly useful, thanks for that.

 

If anyone could point me at a source of real information regarding what constitutes an "obstruction" it would be really helpful. I think I saw a post relating to "violation of human rights" in ref to cars being towed somewhere as well but can't find it now.

 

The idea of vulnerable people (elderly, parent & child etc) being stuck in a dangerous part of a city as a result of a minor traffic offence such as having no car tax or illegal parking, is really interesting. Forcing somebody to walk through Ardwick (Manchester's red light district and all round nasty place) just because they forgot to tax their car last week does seem really really unfair!

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