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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Do you get any sort of error message on the page anywhere?

just says keep to so many lines,or letters,of which I am well within limit,also says must fill in all *questions checked many times and its all ok

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submited claim form,but it was refused,template letter is more than 24 lines,according to help line,so how do I cut it back,has anyone got another letter I can use,I used the one on this forum have others had a problem,Im so close now so eager to get it right,please advize

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as template letter do you mean the particulars of claim?

this is what i put in mine:-

 

The Claimant had a contract with the Defendant Your account number here from Approximate date account opened which was conducted on their standard terms and conditions. The Claimant claims the return of £ amount before adding % age levied by the defendant in the way of charges. The charges are a disproportionate penalty and therefore unenforceable as they are contrary to common law. Further, as a disproportionate penalty they are invalid under the Unfair (Contracts) Terms Act 1977s.4 and under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regs 1999, Para 8 and sch.2(1)(e). In the event that the charges are not a penalty, they are unreasonable within the meaning of the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 s.15. The defendant has been asked to justify the charges but they have declined to do so. The Claimant claims interest under s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year from Date of the first of their charges against you to Date of the last charge of £ place the 8% figure here and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgement or earlier payment at a daily rate of multiply your amount before interest by 0.0002 and put here (Mine is £0.45).

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:pI'VE CLAIMED MY BARCLAYS CHARGES BACK.:p

£5125.60

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Well 28 days now up,went to moneyclaim,it says no further acton online as Barclays disute full amount await further notice,what happens next its nso scary to get this far any advise very appreciated,many thanks

 

hi all this information is contained in the step by step instructions have a read through.

 

Also this link will help.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/site-questions-suggestions/71369-getting-mcol-right.html#post614610

 

5 threads merged please stick to one.

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Hi When and how will I recieve allocation questionire,I have read helpfull threads on how to fill it in but unsure when and how I will get it,thank you all for help I could never have managed on my own also ,on the money claim site it said Barclays were disputing full amount claimed is this normal,or do they mean I have got the figure wrong on the amount I have worked out, they owe me and this is why they have refused it,bit concerned at this.

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Hi, you will get the AQ, unless the judge decides to leave it out, from the court through the post.

There will be a covering letter with it saying wether or not you have to pay a fee. [get this back from B's]

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Well today letter came I was expecting Questionaire for court in Northampton as Barclays are defending,but I have recieved A Defence and Counterclaim court letter with Barclays Defence ,I now have to make a counterclaim to and pay a fee really dont know what to do now,please advise soon as poss thanks

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The trouble is 'marge' you have started your thread way down the process, can you post more info,.

It sounds like B's are disputing the information you have supplied, maybe too vague in you POC's or maybe not sent in your SOC's.

 

Have a read of B's defence and post it on here

 

If you had started the thread from day 1, we would know why this has happened.

Saying that, its nothing to wory about, youre not being made an example of and it doesnt mean that will be facing them in court.

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Well now its being moved to local court,no allocation questionaire,so what now,do I wait for court date, or do I send off my paperwork,and can anyone send me all templates of what I need to send, ie court bundle and what else,so near so please dont let me blow it now,many thanks,this has been going on for 9 months due to house fire and loss of computer for a while so it would be great to get it over,in a good way if poss.

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You now wait to hear from the courts.

 

You could use the time preparing your bundles to save a last minute dash....

Click the following link....

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/33060-basic-court-bundle.html

 

Use that as your basic bundle and add anything that is applicable your your own claim.

You will need three copies, one for the bank, one for the court and one for yourself.

 

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Well recieved letter today from Barclays saying our new credit limit is now £1800 it was £4000 and we have just recently paid off £2000 so now if we wanted to use the card we could only spend £100,how sad is this,we have been loyal customers for 30 years and our limit has always gone up,now we are at the court stage they throw this little tantrum ,well who cares there of plenty of other cards its there loss,just one thing when I filled in the money claim what should I have sent to the court and Barclays,just seen on some threads about this and I fear I missed this please advise thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You should visit your bank and express your dissatisfaction.

Tell them that unless it is reinstated to its original limit or an acceptable reason is given for the reduction, you will close the card account add the details to your court bundle and use in your defence as the bank using this as retaliation for your current actions against them.

 

I did this when they 'accidently' cancelled my overdraft, it was restored the same day.

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Is this your credit card?

 

If so get rid of it. I would transfer remaining £1800 balance and get 0% interest on it for a good few months.

23/02/07 Request for payment sent (hand delivered to my local branch)

08/03/07 Standard Letter from Barlclays saying they are looking in to my complaint received

13/03/07 Letter before action sent (hand delivered to my local branch)

27/03/07 Partial offer of £1255 received

29/03/07 MCOL submitted

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I agree with Dar

 

Why should the banks be allowed to get away with this just because we have taken the steps to get our money back from them.

 

Did they give you any reason as to why they took this action?

 

Maybe worthwhile checking with the FOS to see if Barclays are actually entiled to do this .

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HI thanks for reply yes it was creidt card and yes I will transfer to another card,but hey if they carry on like this,cancelling accounts, stoping overdrafts and giving you less and less on your card are they not in danger of shooting there self in the foot(like I care) but it is so childish,and if we all move on, it must effect them in the end.

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Meanwhile, I have merged your 5 Barclays threads together. ;-)

 

All you have to do is reply to this thread at the bottom, where it say quick reply, and that's it.

 

If you lose your thread, click on your username, it will bring up your CP, where you can find all your threads and all your posts. ;-)

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