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    • Unsettling the applecart?,  I'm going to be direct here, I know how this works , I've been in far worse situation than your relative, and I can assure you , now that there i likely a default in her name, it makes absolutely ZERO difference if she pays or not. Denzel Washington in the Equalizer , 'My only regret is that I can't kill you twice'... It's the same with a default, they can only do it once and it stays on your credit file for 6 years if she pays or not, and as it stands right now she's flushing £180 of her hard earned money down the toilet  so that the chaps at Lowell can afford a Christmas party. As for the SAR this is everybody's legal right, originally under the Data Protection act 1998 and now under GDPR, it's her right to find out everything that the original Creditor has on her file, and by not doing it the only person she is doing a massive disservice to is her self. As the father of 2 young adults myself, they need to learn at some point.. right?
    • Thank you for your pointers - much appreciated. dx100uk - Apologies, my request wasn't for super urgent advice and I have limited online access due to my long working hours and caring obligations - the delay in my response doesn't arise in any way from disrespect or ingratitude. I will speak to her at the weekend and see if she will open up a bit more about this, and allow me to submit the subject access request you advise - the original creditor is 118 118 loans and from the letter I saw (which prompted the conversation and the information) the debt collection agency had bought the debt from 118 and were threatening enforcement which is when she has made a payment arrangement with them for an amount of £180 per month. It looks as if she queried matters at the time (so I wonder if I might with the FIO request get access to their investigation file?) - the letter they wrote said "The information that you provided has been carefully considered and reviewed. After all relevant enquiries were made it has been confirmed that there is not enough evidence present to conclusively prove that this application was fraudulent.  However, we have removed the interest as a gesture of goodwill. As a result of the findings, you will be held liable for the capital amount on the loan on the basis of the information found during the investigation and you will be pursued for repayment of the loan agreement executed on 2.11.2022 in accordance with Consumer Credit Act 1974"  The amount at that time was over £3600 in arrears, as no payments had been made on it since inception and I think she only found out about it when a default notice came in paper form. I'm a little reluctant to advise her to just stop paying, and would like to be able to form a view in relation to her position and options before unsetting the applecart - do you think this is reasonable? She is young and inexperienced with these things and getting into this situation has brought about a lot of shame regarding inability to sort things out/stand up for herself, which is one of the reasons I have only found out about this considerably later Thank you once again for your advice - it is very much appreciated.    
    • That's fine - I'm quite happy to attend court if necessary. The question was phrased in such a way that had I declined the 'consideration on the papers' option, I would have had to explain why I didn't think such consideration was appropriate, and since P2G appear to be relying on a single (arguably flawed) issue, I thought it might result in a speedier determination.
    • it was ordered in the retailers store  but your theory isnt relevant anyway, even if it fitted the case... the furniture is unfit for purpose within 30 days so consumer rights act overwrites any need to use 14 days contract law you refer too. dx  
    • Summary of the day from the Times. I wasn't watching for a couple of interesting bits like catching herself out with her own email. Post Office inquiry: Paula Vennells caught out by her own email — watch live ARCHIVE.PH archived 23 May 2024 11:57:02 UTC  
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sparkie.......... I'm only sorry I can't be of much help to you - I feel a little out of depth as you have got a seriously big bone to pick with them.

 

You do seem to be doing a really good job though in keeping them on their toes...... and gathering the dirt. I think the presence of the Fraud Squad will scare them witless - the next stage to that would be calling in the regulators (as they really scare banks and finance companies!!).....

 

Good luck to you..... and stick with it.... as you are doing....

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Hi Sparkie......just echoing Atlantic's comments - you seem to be on top of everything and there is very little I feel qualified to add.:D

 

As far as making it all public I can't see it makes much difference now - only maybe to the police investigation, but they would've probably asked you to say nothing if it mattered that much.

 

I think the whole country should know what the bank is capable of and the lengths they will go to cover up!!:eek:

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Hey dude, yes i am lurking. Should be revising but i am a naughty boy and being stoopid.

 

You could write a book on this i swear. If you get a gig like Richard and Judy can i play at being your body guard (i'm 6'3" and of a heavy (to a bit loose really) set), i have the sunnies, an ear piece and a monkey suit. :p.

 

In 3ish weeks i can start work on that site for you. I was looking last night at web hosting, its pretty cheat. But we will cross that bridge if we come to it.

 

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Never entered my head that worth a go I think, cheers

 

Styx Good on yah mate that will buy you some jotters and pencils, get back to that revising and stop reading the rubbish on my post, you wont pass any exams with this knowledge ....yeah I just might need a "heavy" when I come in contact with these unknown msked "bank account raiders".

 

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Sparkie.....

 

Styx could be right about you getting a phone recorder....

 

I used to work for a few years in some of the big "city banks" debt collecting from the other banks who we traded with through the stock exchange and you just wouldn't believe the dodgy stuff, bent and changed arguments and negotiations that goes on - and thats just over relatively "minor" bank-to-bank claims.

 

with that "dodgy-but-fun" stuff in mind (fun because it's bank to bank and not hurting anyone personally, which is definately not your situation)...... then given the sheer size and seriousness of what you're up to (you've got the South Yorkshire Fraud Squad involved against your bank!!!) you might need phone recordings. Styx is also right - you must tell them that it is recording though.

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I do believe, that if you are recording a conversation you do have to inform the other party at the very start of the conversation that you are doing so, otherwise it is inadmissable in court as evidence.

This unfortunately does have the distinct disadvantage of then making the recipient a bit more guarded in what they say throughout the conversation.

 

BTW, A lot of regular answermachines etc often have a two way record button that you just push during a conversation if need be.

 

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...just because something's in print doesn't mean its true.... just look at you Banks T&C's for example !

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I believe all recorded conversations are inadmissible in court. HOWEVER I think it is permissible to produce a written transcript as evidence. I would check this out to make sure.

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Hi Sparkie - great to see the fight goes on!!! - be nicer to see "we apologise for being numpties Mr Sparkie here's £50k and a nice bottle of your favorite tipple " but hey ho!:-)

 

Transcipts are admissable, although you may need to get them notarised - ie signed to agree transcript is a true and accurate record....;-)

 

I would love to see the personal summons in the press:D as the chair is corporate responsible.... Might be worth a shout, although I think cobblers might be replaced by bl**dy good lawyers if you did!!!

 

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Statements recieved 25/04/07 - £1483 + £88 o/d int

LBA dpa sent requesting ALL data held 09/04 with original 40 day timetable..

Clock is ticking........;)

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Sorry to but in all...

 

But just had to tell everyone about this wonderful programme that BBC3 have been broadcasting.

 

It's called "Filthy Rich & Homeless"

 

Basically thay have taken 4 extremely rich priviledged peeps and made them rough it, living on the streets, homeless, without their credit cards, valets and without a penny to live on.

 

Last week , they paired them all up with some genuine homeless peeps, in order to learn the ways of the street and the truths and myths of it all.

 

It was some of the best TV I have seen in years !!

 

Some of the filthy rich were so arrogant and snobbish about their gudes at first, accusing them of all manner of things,; laziness, drunkeness, bad attitudes, etc

 

By the end of the programme ALL (even the most snobby) were broken literally into tears, sobbing about how their own attitudes to life were so misguided, and in need of an overhaul.

 

They had all also decided that their guides were some of the most wonderful genuine people they had ever met... friends for life.

 

BRILLIANT TV !!!!!

 

 

......... and something that a lot of people that we all deal with could really all benefit from going through !!

 

 

WATCH IT !!!

 

It's on tonight and repeated later in week.

 

Here's the link to the schedule and review.

 

 

BBC - What's On - Advanced Search Results

 

 

Best regards to all

 

photoman

 

PS: Episode 3 of 4 is on at 9pm tonight (5 min time ) (but repeated later in week if you can't drag yourself away from CAG right now)

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Sparkie.....

 

I'm sorry I can't be too much help and advice on your claim and legal issues, although I really do wish I (and all of us) could better help you.....

 

but......... did I just read above that Cobbetts have got a barrister involved?

 

***** Sparkie - the very presence of one of those is seriously heavy duty - not wanting to panic you!!! I've known two (junior) barristers - as you do sort of meet them here in central london as all their "Inns of Court" are based down here (close to all the high courts etc that you have within the city, or "square mile")......and the two I met told me that they only get involved in seriously heavy duty high court or commercial issues (like of the order of involving tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds, or even millions!!!)

 

what I'm trying to say is that it's really obvious you've done brilliantly well (I mean really really good job with the likes of involving the South Yorkshire Fraud Squad and all the wranglings etc) but I really do reckon you could do with some serious legal help - especially that a barrister is now involved........ I know it's expensive but could you not "pitch" your case to a few solictiors who take cases on on a "legal aid" basis? Perhaps you could also ask Martin Lewis, of Money Saving Expert - dot - com fame..... or the moderators/ organisers of this website for some advice?

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