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    • The postcode is an important point. You cannot be in two postcodes at the same time and the contract only covers the F area and not the E area where Met placed your car. See there is some   advantages in with idiots.🙂 The other fact about the electric spaces is that as you are not allowed to park there, the sign is prohibitory so cannot  offer a contract anyway. and another biggie in your favour is you were not the driver and the PCN does not comply with PoFA. I had another look yesterday at the PCN and there is another error since it does not say that the driver is responsible to pay the charge during the first 28 days. Schedule 4 Section 9 [2][b] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; so that is another nail in their coffin and it s something I would include in  your WS since that is one that every Judge would accept as a failure to comply. As far as their WS is concerned some of them leave it to the last minute to prevent Defendants being able to counteract their claims. However if they leave it too late [ie after the stipulated time] you can email yours to the Court on the last day and complain at the bottom of your WS that you have not received it and therefore you are asking the Court not to accept their WS. In your case it isn't that important since you have a virtual walkover in Court. I would be surprised if they don't concede beforehand. It is a lost cause for them. Not that I would advocate parking in their electric bay in future with a petrol driven car again.🙂
    • I think the post code 0 v O is nonsense personally and would just annoy the judge.  Cases are decided informally at small claims and judges are not interested in the weakest of trivialities. Understood re FY v EY.  So add to the Unfair PCN section that the PCN includes the wrong post code and places you at a residential area rather than the car park in question. You should wait till 7 June before filing your WS - as a Litigant-in-Person you wont't be penalised for being a day late - to see if MET's WS turns up.  It will also give you a chance to see if they have paid the hearing fee.  If it doesn't turn up you can attack them for defying court directions.  If it does turn up you can ridicule their arguments.  Win win. Also you can see if they have bottled it - which they have done with the last two cases we have here. I think the exact points of your WS have become a tad confusing - and I have heartily contributed to the confusion! - so can you please add the latest version. I think the post code 0 v O is nonsense personally and would just annoy the judge.  Cases are decided informally at small claims and judges are not interested in the weakest of trivialities. Understood re FY v EY.  So add to the Unfair PCN section that the PCN includes the wrong post code and places you at a residential area rather than the car park in question. You should wait till 7 June before filing your WS - as a Litigant-in-Person you wont't be penalised for being a day late - to see if MET's WS turns up.  It will also give you a chance to see if they have paid the hearing fee.  If it doesn't turn up you can attack them for defying court directions.  If it does turn up you can ridicule their arguments.  Win win. Also you can see if they have bottled it - which they have done with the last two cases we have here. I think the exact points of your WS have become a tad confusing - and I have heartily contributed to the confusion! - so can you please add the latest version. I think the post code 0 v O is nonsense personally and would just annoy the judge.  Cases are decided informally at small claims and judges are not interested in the weakest of trivialities. Understood re FY v EY.  So add to the Unfair PCN section that the PCN includes the wrong post code and places you at a residential area rather than the car park in question. You should wait till 7 June before filing your WS - as a Litigant-in-Person you wont't be penalised for being a day late - to see if MET's WS turns up.  It will also give you a chance to see if they have paid the hearing fee.  If it doesn't turn up you can attack them for defying court directions.  If it does turn up you can ridicule their arguments.  Win win. Also you can see if they have bottled it - which they have done with the last two cases we have here. I think the exact points of your WS have become a tad confusing - and I have heartily contributed to the confusion! - so can you please add the latest version.
    • Thank you Dave for jumping in yesterday and advising not to send off the letter I wrote. I am sorry Clou but I thought at the time that both car parks were owned by Alliance. Before doing a snotty letter does anyone in your family able to alos drive your car apart from yourself and are you the keeper?
    • Thanks for this. UPS never said they delivered to the wrong address. Tracking just showed as delivered. EBay couldn’t find it for weeks and then said they found it and it had chocolate in it. Something clearly doesn’t add up here.
    • Try to think things through logically & legally - the two go together as the civil court system in England is pretty decent and easy to get your head round. 1.  Say you & I got into legal dispute.  Who could sue who?  Well I could sue you and you could sue me.  My next-door neighbour couldn't sue you and your best mate couldn't sue me because the case would have nowt to do with them.  The same goes for a DCA.  It's not their debt.  They can do nothing. 2.  Of course a DCA can't affect your credit score.  If they could, then there would be nothing stopping you picking on someone you dislike, saying they owed you a billion pounds, and affecting their credit score.  Logically there must be more to it than some daft allegation.  CCJs are issued and credit scores wrecked after a judge has decided on the matter and the losing party has still refused to pay.  With nine grand in play the matter will not magically go away but you need to gen up and seperate daft threats from paper tigers from concrete threats which could really cause you trouble. The others are right - you need to inform the original creditor of your address in order to avoid a backdoor CCJ. Also, why did you decide not to sue UPS who have admitted to delivering to the wrong address which in turn led to the theft of your goods?
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Hi

Wondered if I could get a little advise please.

I entered into a commercial lease (3 years) and within a few months I had to leave as the business I was trading with collapsed.

I returned the keys to the landlord and explained the situation and no money, also likely to go on benefits but the landlord stuck to their guns.

They have now instructed solicitors to send letter before action claiming just over £4000.

The lease was mine and so the debt. I know this.

I have emailed the solicitors twice to explain I am out of work and that with help from family I could offer a full and final settlement figure of £1500 or £10pw. This was countered by them with an offer to reduce the debt by £400, or pay off the amount over 12 months.

I went back with an improved full and final offer of £2500 or £20pw. This has been rejected with the comment 'papers ready to go to court'.

I have no hope of paying the £4000 and so it will have to go to court. Pity as I have no debts otherwise but not working is a killer.

I wondered if they take me to court, could I ask for mediation?

I also think that taking me to court will result in a pretty much nothing per week payment from my benefits. Are companies just pushing ahead with action even if a better offer is on the table?

Thanks for your help.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Commercial business lease - Letter before Action - Negotiation not going well

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you get mediation if you both parties agree.

but again you might hit the same brick wall.

were you a sole trader or was it a ltd company?

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Commercial Landlords are legally allowed to sue for early cancellation of the lease. You can only surrender your lease if your landlord agrees to your doing so.

They are under no obligation even to consider your request and are entitled to refuse. You cannot use this as an excuse not to pay your rent. Your landlord is most likely to agree to your surrendering the lease if they want the property back in order to redevelop it, or if they wants to rent it to what they regards as a better tenant or at a higher rent.

There are two types of surrender:

Express surrender in writing. This is a written document which sets out the terms of the surrender.

Implied surrender by conduct. (applies to your position)

You can move out of the property you leased, simply hand your keys back and the lease will come to an end, but only if the landlord agrees to accept your surrender. Many tenants have thought they can simply post the keys through the landlord's letter box and the lease is ended. This is not true and without a document from the landlord, not only do you not know if the landlord has accepted the surrender, you also do not know on what basis they have accepted and could find they sue you for rent arrears, service charge arrears, damage to the property and compensation for your attempt to leave the property without the landlord's agreement. Unless you are absolutely certain that the landlord is agreeable to your departure, you should not attempt to imply a surrender by relying on your and the landlord's conduct.

 

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Thanks No permission was given to leave the property. I accept liability.

I was just hoping that I could limit the damage / court action by negotiating a lower settlement with the landlord.

I am negotiating with my ex (commercial) landlord's solicitor for a debt I owe for rent. This has been going on for a little while and I expect they may go ahead with the court action they threaten.

I wanted to ask however,

In the event this action goes ahead, I think will have a response pack sent to me from the court, along with the claim.

Google tells me that a section of this response pack is a 'Admit the claim and ask for time to pay'.

Would this time to pay, if accepted also mean a CCJ registered against me?

Thanks

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Yes it would be registered as a CCJ.

 

 

 

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If you were to try try to reach a settlement it must be done preferably  before allocation of the claim or better still before they issue the claim.

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Posted (edited)

Thanks  no official claim has been issued as yet.

The solicitors stated that they 'have the paperwork ready' in case I don't / can't pay up.

I have sent over a last attempt to settle but they seem to be playing hard ball.

My offer isn't far off what they are asking for and the result of them not agreeing will mean a CCJ for me, but them getting their money many years when I submit my income/expenditure form (Just a part time job).

Guess will have to wait and see.

Thanks again

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Retain all your paperwork with regards to trying to settle...come back if /when you actually receive a Letter of Claim or Letter before Claim.

Edit I see they have actually issued one... come back if they issue a claim.

 

 

 

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Good morning.

I just wanted to check something please. The other side have moved slightly and negotiated a full and final offer price to end this matter. I am happy with this.

However, I want to make sure this is the end of the matter and am emailing the following over to them prior to payment. Is this enough to ensure they can come back for nothing else?

Thanks

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Dear Sir.
 
With regards your last email below.
 
I am pleased to agree to the full and final settlement figure given below.
 
Can you confirm this payment will be in full and final payment with no further claim to be brought against me in this matter?
 
Best regards
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2 hours ago, Restart said:

Can you confirm this payment will be in full and final payment with no further claim to be brought against me in this matter?

Dear (insert Name)

Will you please confirm in writing payment of £xxxxxx is accepted as full and final payment of rent arrears for commercial lease (insert dates) for rental on  property (insert address) and please provide a receipt of payment.

Yours Sincerely 

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