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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Good afternoon,

I signed up a team for Soccer six’s around 2 years ago. However, towards the end of the second season we were struggling to get numbers.

I got in touch with the league manager and informed him this would be our last season as we were struggling to get numbers. There was no response from the league manager.

A week later I messaged the league manager asking for a date for the end of the season as due to our local team playing at the pitch, the online fixtures were not up to date and only updated a week before. Once again, I was ignored.

A week or so later another text was sent out to the league manager, this time it stated ‘this will be our last season. If there is anything we need to do in order to leave the league, please let us know’. The league manager ignored this text again. In fact, they sent a message to me regarding our next game around ten minutes after this text. Which made it obvious I was being ignore.

Multiple texts were sent out to the league manager requesting the date for our last game as we intended to leave. However once again, surprise. We had no response. Unfortunately, we didn’t realise when our last game was being played. Once we did, I wrote a formal written notice to the league to withdraw from the season. 

Around 1 week passed, and I received a text off the league manager to confirm our team would play the next game. I informed him we had withdrawn from the league and would no longer be in the playing. For once the league manager replied and informed us we had not given the 2 weeks’ notice which is stated on the terms and conditions.

I responded to the manager by forwarding the email I sent to his personal email and informing we had informed him multiple times we wanted to withdraw from the league with no response and we were ignored when queried the process of leaving the league.

I was barraged with phone calls from the manager which I declined. I text them stating I wanted everything be in written communication from now on. As reading from other threads I could see this could possibly be a scare tactic. His Response was ‘ok’.

Fast forward to 25/02/2024 I received a text of a debt collection company named ‘ICON’

The text as reads.

We have been appointed by ROM soccerleagues limited T/A Soccersixes as their debt recovery specialist regarding your overdue balance with them.

I then received an email from ICON which reads.

Re: ROM Soccerleagues Limited T/A Soccersixes

       Amount Due £825.44           

We have been instructed by ROM Soccerleagues Limited T/A Soccersixes to commence formal debt recovery proceedings against you.

Please take notice this matter now requires your immediate attention.

Should you wish to avoid a COURT SUMMONS being served at your address, payment must be made immediately.

You can manage your account online where you can make payment in full by logging into www.iconcollections.com and selecting MANAGE YOUR ACCOUNT. Please enter the reference number stated exactly as above along with your post code to enter our secure portal. This service is available 24 hours a day, however, further payment options are available on the reverse of this notice for your convenience.  

You have previously been provided with a detailed breakdown of this outstanding debt. Should you require any further information, please contact our offices without delay. 

In accordance with Pre-Action Protocol and bearing in mind it is our client’s intention to bring this matter to Court, we have enclosed the required documentation necessary. 

Please note that any Court action issued may result in additional costs and interest being incurred against you and your credit rating being seriously affected.

Yours faithfully

Collections Department

Obviously when I received this email, I was concerned as what I need to do. I understand I did not read the terms and conditions of soccer sixes until it was too late which was a silly mistake.

However, disregarding that there was no communication with the manager when I enquired about leaving the league and no communication in other manners. I have not received a price breakdown or a warning as why they are wanting £825.44. 

I was considering writing a dispute letter to ICON Collections regarding the debt.

I have read other threads regarding soccer sixes. However any advice on how I should act regarding this matter would be appreciated. 

Thank you, 

T

 

 

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letters like a letter of claim etc cannot be issued by email unless you have previously specifically stated so and only by the owner of a debt, a DCA chasing on behalf of their stated client, the owner cannot issue one, it's just a scare tactic.

ignore everything 

block txts and email addresses and phone numbers never respond to anyone 

nothing they can do.

4 hours ago, ANGRYSOCCERSIX said:

I have read other threads regarding soccer sixes.

keep reading then you'll find none go nowhere.

thread title updated.

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yep, block their emails.

And report any silly text messages to 7726 (SPAM)

Ignore, them like they ignored you.

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Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Good afternoon, 

Following on from my previous post. I have received multiple calls and texts from both the debt collection company and the league manager himself. 

I am still going to ignore it due to your advice. However, I wanted to keep this post updated for anyone in similar circumstances and make sure nothing has changed regarding my response. 

I received a letter in the post from ICON collections. This was the same content as the post above. 

I received a further email from the Debt Collection company stating ;

We have today received your file from our Pre-Legal Collections Department with a view to issuing a Court Summons against you in respect of the above debt.

Despite several reminders we have been informed that you have failed to contact us with a view to settling this debt.

We will now commence a formal investigation by assessing your credit score which includes searching your current address and employment status.

Should you wish to avoid the above action being taken, paymentmust be made immediately by calling us on 020 8315 2400 or accessing your file online at www.iconcollections.com and selecting MANAGE YOUR ACCOUNT.

Please enter our legal reference number exactly as stated above along with your postcode to enter your account securely. Payment can also be made directly into our Clients Bank Account, using the following;

I also received quite a humorous text form the league manager.

The text as follows, 

Hi mate, 

Just so you're aware your dent for the full season has been passed onto Icon Collections as they have now instructed to recover the fees for the season.

I am just reaching out to try and resolve the amicably. 

We can get the debt you currently owe wiped aslong as your team continues in the league until a replacement team is found. 

Please contact me urgently so we can let Icon Collections know they do not need to recover the fees. 
 

Please advise if I need to change my approach to this situation. 

Once again thank you, your advice is appreciated. 

Regards,

T

 

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Block all the calls, and report all of the texts to 7726.

Any emails, block and bounce them.

Keep a diary of the harassment from the clown outfit icon with a view of reporting them for the offence of harassment, and feasibly malicious communications. 

No such thing as pre legal blah blah, and pre litigation blah blah, that's just a powerless immature DCA trying to give the impression that they're important and need to be taken seriously making up names for departments that don't exist. Fools.

 

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Hi AngrySS,

Yes, you're good to ignore both of these communications.

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Hello

I’m also going through the same at the moment for £300. Icon went quiet for a month or so but just received another text this morning to say “Notice of likely CCJ/Enforcement due to non-payment”.

I’m still ignoring as per all of the threads on this but every time I get a text I still like to have a read up just to check advice hasn’t changed so good to read this thread!

Thanks

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dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hello again, 

Quick update regarding the situation. 

I stopped receiving phone calls and texts from ICON Debt Collections.

However, just like Ojm_1994 i received a text this morning stating ' Notice of likely CCJ/enforcement due to non-payment. please call our legal team urgently' and received an email which said the following; 

'Further to our previous correspondence, our investigations indicate you continue to be linked at the following address according to the UK Database.

XXX

Following instructions from our client, we are now preparing to issue legal action against you.

In the event of non-payment, we will apply to obtain a CCJ (County Court Judgment) against you, which will result in the High Court Bailiff attending the above address in an attempt to either secure payment or remove goods.

Our Enforcement Team can be contacted on 020 8315 2400 or you can access your legal file via our website www.iconcollections.com by selecting MANAGE YOUR ACCOUNT to make payment by Debit or Credit Card.

Please enter our legal reference number exactly as stated above along with your postcode to enter your account securely.'

As stated above I'm going to continue to ignore these unless advised otherwise.

I will keep this thread updated with any further information which may help other people in this situation. 

Any further advice would be appreciated. 

Thanks, 

T

 

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Hi AngrySS,

Yes, continue to ignore !

Typical Threat-o-Gram nonsense.

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