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    • Hi there, Here is the sticky filled out as best as possible:  Which Court have you received the claim from? MCOL (County Court Business Centre, Northampton) Name of the Claimant: Uk Parking Control Limited Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Date of issue: March 2023 Following events: — DQ sent to me July 2023 — I filed a DQ in September 2023 — My claim was transferred to [my local court] September 2023 — Received Notice of Allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) including date for hearing in April 2024 — Witness statement due by May 14 — Claimant must pay court fees by May 17 — Court hearing on June 18   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. 1. The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a Parking Charge issued at [x] issued to vehicle [__] at Walcot Yard, Walcot Road, Bath, Ba1 5bg. 2. The PCN details are [___]. 3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), this incurring the PCNs. 4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.  AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of [x]p until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees   What is the value of the claim? ~260 Amount Claimed ~170 court fees ~35 legal rep fees ~50 Total Amount  ~260   Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? No   Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? No Here is the defence I filed:  DEFENCE 1. The parking charges referred to in this claim did not arise from any agreement of terms. The charge and the claim was an unexpected shock. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that any conduct by the driver was a breach of any prominent term and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the Particulars. The facts as known to the Defendant: 2. It is admitted that on the material date the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but liability is denied. 3. While working at a nearby premises, [___] the Defendant was informed by the manager that they had an informal verbal agreement with the developer and owner operator of [___], which supposedly allowed them to park there. Based on this information, the Defendant parked their car there in good faith. The Defendant was not aware of any restrictions or limitations to this agreement, and therefore believed that they had the right to park there without penalty. 4. The Defendant avers that the Claimant failed to serve a Notice to Keeper compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the claimant cannot transfer liability for this charge to the Defendant as keeper of the vehicle. 5. The Particulars of Claim ('POC') appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action”. 6. The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case is being pursued. 7. The POC are entirely inadequate, in that they fail to particularise (a) the contractual term(s) relied upon; (b) the specifics of any alleged breach of contract; and (c) how the purported and unspecified 'damages' arose and the breakdown of the exaggerated quantum. 8. The claim has been issued via Money Claims Online and, as a result, is subject to a character limit for the Particulars of Claim section of the Claim Form. The fact that generic wording appears to have been applied has obstructed any semblance of clarity. The Defendant trusts that the court will agree that a claim pleaded in such generic terms lacks the required details and requires proper particularisation in a detailed document within 14 days, per 16PD.3 9. The guidance for completing Money Claims Online confirms this and clearly states: "If you do not have enough space to explain your claim online and you need to serve extra, more detailed particulars on the defendant, tick the box that appears after the statement 'you may also send detailed particulars direct to the defendant.'" 10. No further particulars have been filed and to the Defendant's knowledge, no application asking the court service for more time to serve and/or relief from sanctions has been filed either. 11. In view of it having been entirely within the Claimant's Solicitors' gift to properly plead the claim at the outset and the claim being for a sum, well within the small claims limit, such that the Defendant considers it disproportionate and at odds with the overriding objective (in the context of a failure by the Claimant to properly comply with rules and practice directions) for a Judge to throw the erring Claimant a lifeline by ordering further particulars (to which a further defence might be filed, followed by further referral to a Judge for directions and allocation) the court is respectfully invited to strike this claim out. 13. Whilst the new Code and Act is not retrospective, it was enacted due to the failure of the self-serving BPA & IPC Codes of Practice. The Minister is indisputably talking about existing (not future) cases when declaring that 'recovery' fees were 'designed to extort money'. A clear steer for the Courts which it is hoped overrides mistakes made in a few appeal cases that the parking industry desperately rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy). 14. Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals saw Circuit Judges led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal. In case this Claimant tries to rely upon these, the Defendant avers that errors were made in every case. Evidence was either overlooked (including signage discrepancies in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy). In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted parking contract in Beavis. Those learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of information as the DLUHC, whose incoming statutory Code of Practice now clarifies such matters as a definition of 'parking' as well as consideration and grace periods and minor matters such as 'keying errors' or 'fluttering tickets/permits' where a PCN should not have been issued at all, or should have been cancelled in the pre-action dispute phase. POFA and CRA breaches 15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation'). If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance and liability transferred. 16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA'). The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer. 17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair/open dealing and good faith. ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished (lack of legitimate interest/prominence of terms) 18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must each be determined on their own facts. That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, and took into account the prominent yellow/black uncluttered signs with £85 in the largest/boldest text. Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach. 19. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms, unexpected/cumbersome obligations nor 'concealed pitfalls or traps'. 20. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver. Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous 'penalty' was seen or agreed. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include: (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2, both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio). 21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies. In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR 22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an agreement flowing from the landholder (ref: KADOE rules). It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) has authority from the landowner to issue charges in this place in their own name. The Claimant is put to strict proof that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name. 23. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The Appeals Annex in the new incoming statutory Code shows that genuine disputes such as this would see the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed. Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair appeal was ever on offer. The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject almost any dispute: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report). Conclusion 24. The claim is entirely without merit. The Defendant believes that it is in the public interest that claims like this should be struck out because knowingly enhanced parking claims like this one cause consumer harm on a grand scale. 25. There is ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims. For HMCTS to only disallow those costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings whilst other claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts, in fear of intimidating pre-action threats. 26. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks: (a) at the very least, for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and (b) for a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 27. Attention is drawn specifically to the (often-seen from this industry) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))." Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
    • Hi, I was caught by the security guards today for shoplifting in John Lewis. I think total amount is about £500. They said they saw me on CCTV last week, I was freaked out so I admitted it. I know it’s awful… I cried as I was too scared and begged them pls don’t call the police. They took pics of me and wrote down my details from banking app as I didn’t have any id with me. I told them my difficulties that I was scammed £35k recently and I lost my job so I stole those things and sell them. I apologised and they said they won’t call the police but I’m banned and will receive letters from RLP for fines which including this time and the last time(I didn’t give back the goods I took last time). I know it’s very very bad, I feel shameful and so depressed so hopeless about everything happened. I wonder since it’s a lot of money, will they sue me, take me to the court, or will they change their mind to call the police when they check the cctv footage to check how much I owe them? I said sorry I really couldn’t afford the fine at this situation, they said it’s their job they can’t do anything. Later when I was out of the mall, the security guard said, I can call RLP to negotiate about the fee. Also I’m probably moving to another city in 2 months, so if they want to take me to court but I didn’t receive any letters what should I do… and the security guy told me it’s worse as I traveled to this city and stealing stuff. I’m home now but feeling awful, wish people could give me some advice, thank you very much.
    • Before you do any of the above – Stop! You need to spend a few days reading up on the stories on this sub- forum so that you understand the principles and you understand how to go about making your claim. We will help you – and you have a better than 95% chance of getting your money back – but you need to be in control of what you are doing. We will help you – but this is a self-help forum and you need to have done the reading so that you are confident of each step and you know your way forward. Please don't do anything at all – in particular don't send a letter of claim – until you have done all the reading and I would suggest that probably you will start drafting your letter of claim over the weekend. Also, you haven't told us anything about what has happened. We don't know dates, items dispatched, value, whether they were properly declared, whether you bought so-called insurance, you have been declined reimbursement but we don't know why. If you want us to help you then you will have to give us this basic information. Also the fact that you are an eBay trader makes this slightly more complicated although it doesn't at all affect your chances of success.  Read the other threads on this sub- forum – and especially the pinned threads at the top in order to understand the principles. You also quickly understand the kind of help that we will give you and you will understand some of the draft documents which have been used in other successful claims.
    • Thanks, I'm finishing up the skeleton and hope to have it done today. Will look at statement of case too and get that done over the next few days.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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Sold Ebay £380 PS5 - posted next day using EVRI via packlink - my parcel label had been moved onto another with diff contents upon arrival.


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Good evening.

Firstly just wanted to say I am so grateful to of come across this forum and this is my first post here. I have never dealt with a legal issue like this before and so I am trying to educate myself pretty rapidly but the community here is going to be vital in me getting any sort of refund from EVRI for this issue. Ill keep the post short, what I believe are the key details are posted below.

On 4th November I sold a PS5 via eBay for £380 + £6.14 postage

On 8th November at 8:56pm I bought postage via eBay Packlink for Evri's next day delivery, print in store postal service with standard £20 compensation (no further insurance). After purchasing I drove to my local Sainsburys, purchased brown parcel tape and paper to wrap the PS5 in the car park before driving to my local EVRI drop off site which is a small news agents, I parked on a main road and carried the parcel into the shop, printed the label, they scanned it, I left the shop all by 9:30pm I'd guess.

The reason for the detail here is I believe you can see the PS5 box whilst im in the Sainsburys car park wrapping it on CCTV. I also believe I can be seen walking down the street into the local store with the box on CCTV.

On 10th November the buyer messages me with photos of the item that's been delivered and you guessed it, it's not the item which I posted, nor is the item received even in the packaging which I posted it in. I ask the buyer to provide me with a picture of the delivery label, sure enough its the label I purchased. I then check the EVRI app and the delivery driver has put a picture of the item being delivered to the buyers doorstep.... the picture shows it was the incorrect package.

so... as far as I am aware I may need to prove there has been a criminal offence occur between the parcel being collected from my local store and being delivered to the buyer. I need to prove the parcel I left isn't the parcel that got delivered and on doing this the issue of "insurance" is a non starter because criminality wouldn't be expected as loss or theft from someone unrelated to EVRI may be? please correct me if I'm wrong.

So where do I start?

well tomorrow morning I will be visiting the EVRI store and the sainsburys to ask if CCTV can be provided of my transiting around with the PS5 both wrapped and unwrapped. What else do I need to do in the first instance would you say?

Should I refund the buyer out of good will as I feel terrible he is out of pocket as I am but with absolutely no part other then simply buying an item and so close to Christmas I can't help but feel people this time of year need that money.. as do I.

Thanks for reading hoping I can be as successful as many others appear to of been with the great advice provided on this forum.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Sold Ebay £380 PS5 - posted next day using EVRI via packlink - parcel label swapped to another contents swapped upon time of arrival.
  • dx100uk changed the title to Sold Ebay £380 PS5 - posted next day using EVRI via packlink - my parcel label had been moved onto another with diff contents upon arrival.

ah yea old parcel label swap scam to steal the contents.

 

 

 

 

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First of all you must refund the purchaser. I don't know if this was a one-off sale by you – but particularly if you are an eBay trader then you have a legal duty to provide the item or to reimburse.

Please will you confirm that you have reimbursed the purchaser. You should be aware anyway that if the purchaser raises a challenge to eBay that they will find against you and it would look much better for you if you are somebody who takes the initiative as a customer-facing seller rather than somebody has to be forced into giving refunds.

Secondly, start reading lots of the threads on this sub- forum so that you understand how your claim will go and the principles involved. You should be spending a lot of time reading these probably a couple of days.

Apart from anything else that will give you confidence about what you are going to do. Don't forget that this is a self-help forum and although we will guide you through, you have to engage with us completely.

If you can get these proofs then that will be helpful but it won't be absolutely necessary.

What was the item which was eventually delivered? His only difference in the weights between the item you sent and the item which was delivered?

Did you get insurance?
Was the item correctly declared?
What the value of it correctly declared?

Was this done through Packlink or done directly through EVRi?

Have you begun a complaint to EVRi already? What have you said and what have they said in response.

Please do the reading

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Good morning.

I have been reading a number of topics already including the two posted in this thread by dx100uk.

To answer your questions BannkFodder

The buyer received a long length of plastic by the looks of it possible something from a car? The box indicates it is car parts but neither of us really know what it is. It is well packaged though.

I purchased the proof of delivery option which included £25 standard compensation & proof of delivery which consists of a picture of the shipment in the recipients door upon delivery. I have the photo of the item at the recipients door and its not the parcel which I sent.

The item was correctly declared, I was not asked to declare a value for the item the ebay listing sold for £380 + 6.14 postage.

Yes this item was posted via packlink.

Yes I have tried to call EVRI but I am unable to get through and talk to an actual human being. I have now written to the CEO of the company and expressed my concerns and suggested how I think this can be resolved. I have pasted the email I sent below. I haven't had a response as of yet.

 

Dear Martijn Delange,

 
I am writing to you to inform you of an issue which has occurred with EVRI delivery service which I paid for on the 8th November 2023. The parcel which I posted locally using the EVRI drop off service has been lost, a different parcel containing different contents was delivered to the desired recipient on 10th November 2023.

The contents of the parcel which I sent was a Sony Playstation 5 console however the recipient received a different package containing a piece of plastic which is in no way associated to a playstation 5. 
 
I am writing to you to request a resolution to this matter without the need for further action. I am seeking a refund of £386.14 which would cover the value of the Sony Playstation 5 at £380 and a refund of £6.14 for courier services provided by EVRI.
 
Please do respond to my correspondence at the earliest opportunity, Failure to respond will result in the issuing of a letter of claim and the formal filing of a police report as I believe a criminal act has been committed by an EVRI employee on this occasion.
 
Thanks for your time and I await your response.
 
Daniel Stevens

 

Thanks.

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You haven't told us the date of this letter .

Have you written to Packlink?

Have you reimbursed the purchaser?

Do you routinely sell things on eBay or was this a one off?

 

 

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Thanks for your reply. sorry I missed some points.

 

The email which I have sent to the CEO was dated 11/11/23. I have not sent a written letter is it advisable to do this as well as the email?

I am yet to contact Packlink, I assumed because they're a comparison service they would not be liable and my case would be with EVRI. Based on your comment I will make contact with Packlink today.

Yes I have issued a full refund to the purchaser.

I sell on eBay occasionally and never as a retailer. I have made 38 sales this year all with 100% positive feedback until the occurrence on 10/11/23

I should also add that the EVRI parcel reference number was included in the subject line of the email to the CEO this morning.

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You are asking questions which show that you haven't done the reading.

 

Please do the reading and stand by for a reply later on

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Hopefully you will have done lots of reading by now and so you understand that the problem with paying from packlink is that they are domiciled in Spain and so therefore almost impossible to bring a court claim against if they decide to decline liability – which they probably will.
However there have been a few cases where Packlink have paid up so you should write at least one letter of complaint to them and claim the reimbursement.
At the same time and in parallel you should write a letter to EVRi on exactly the same basis.

You will be claiming as a consumer but you should understand that if you have a 38 sales this year then effectively you are a trader within the meaning of the consumer rights act. Being a trader doesn't mean that you do it full time. But it does mean that you are doing it to turn over profit rather than simply selling off your own personal items.

Please will you tell us when you have sent a letter to Packlink and also the date of your letter to EVRi. Let us know what replies you receive but if they decline you – which they probably will – or if they don't respond then we would suggest that you send a letter of claim next Monday. In other words in about a weeks time.

So send your letters of complaint and start drafting a letter of claim which you can post up here for us to have a look.

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Good evening,

Yes I have read all the stickies in this section of the forum as well as some other general info. 

I did contact Packlink on 11/11/23 and explained my situation however they were most unhelpful and simply stated my shipment had been delivered and they were closing the case. I did try and explain again and asked them to investigate the discrepancy in what I sent to what was received by the buyer rather then just close the case. I await further communications from them.

EVRI have responded via email. I contacted the CEO directly and have been back and fourth with a member of the executive office regarding my issue and so far I have found the response to be pleasant and they seem to want to resolve my issue if they can.

To paraphrase the conversation they have said they are gathering as much information as possible to conduct an investigation about my parcel over the next 72 hours and will update me on the findings once this time has elapsed.

I have since responded with some further details. I asked the recipient of the incorrect parcel to measure and weigh the parcel. The significance here is the weight at 1.5kg, I paid for a shipping service and specifically chose a service for parcels between 7-10kg as a PlayStation 5 in original packaging weighs 7kg. 

My initial letter to EVRI was sent on 11/11/23.

Some further info on my 38 sales this year. All sales have been personal items and nothing has been sold for a profit.

I will start to draft my letter of claim in anticipation my issue isn't resolved by the EVRI investigations on going.

Thanks.

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Received a reply from EVRI today regarding their "investigation"

In reference to your parcel ....
 
I am very sorry that you have experienced issues with the delivery of your parcel. I can understand this must be frustrating for you and your recipient.
 
This has been investigated, and it appears that the parcel was intact at the time of delivery, and it was delivered in the same state in which it was received.  
 
I can see that you purchased the shipping label for this parcel via Packlink.
 
While your parcel was sent using the Evri network, Packlink are regarded as the carrier in this situation as they provided you with the shipping label.
 
This means that any claims for parcels which have become lost, damaged or delivered late will need to go directly to them so they can discuss the appropriate next steps with you.
 
I have added a useful link below to assist you:
 
Packlink Help Centre: https://support.packlink.com/hc/en-gb
Packlink reference number: .....
 
Kind Regards,
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totally as expected. you are reading up so you already know your next move.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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You've done the reading so you know the response to their Packlink defence.

Please post up your letter of claim here. Please realise that when you send this, it won't be a bluff. At the expiry of your timescale you must issue the claim otherwise don't bother.

We are now recommending that you go directly to trial and you declined mediation. EVRi are forcing people to keep details of their mediation quiet so we have no idea whether or not they succeed so to make sure that you have the best chance of success, decline mediation and go directly to trial.
This is the only way that your litigation will be open, transparent, fair, and give you the best chance of recovering all of your money.

It is EVRi which has decided to try and keep the mediation process secret and so therefore it must be because they want to hide something. This can't possibly be in your interests. Your interests are in an open and transparent process.

 

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My drafted letter of claim, I have used another forum members example for my own whilst amending the details. Please advise on any edits which are necessary. Thanks for your time.

 

Evri

Capitol House                                                                               

1 Capitol Close                                                                              

Morley

LEEDS

LS27 0WH

13 November  2023

Letter Of Claim for Non delivered Item reference:  xxxxxxxxxx

I request a full refund for the value of lost items and associated costs for shipping of said item as well as interest at a rate of 8% and any associated court fees. The amount which I am claiming for is £467.03 on the grounds that the item which was delivered is not the item which was shipped using your courier service.

If I do not receive a full refund from you within 14 days of the date of this letter, I intend to issue proceedings against you in the county court without further notice.

I understand that the initial contract was with Packlink however due to the fact they're domiciled in Spain. I will be pursuing legal action against yourselves under the Contacts (Third party) Act 1999.

Regards,

xxxxx

 

Particulars of claim.

1. on the 8th November 2023, the claimant contracted the defendants to deliver a parcel to an address within the UK.
2. The declared value of the item in total was £380.00, Delivery fee: £6.14. Tracking number: H0067A0240612665
3. The defendant till claim date - 13th November 2023 has failed to deliver the parcel.
4. On 11th November 2023 Defendant customer support was contacted and on the 13th November 2023, the defendant confirmed that they had investigated the issue but were unable to resolve whilst also directing me to take up further action with Packlink.
5. The claimant is seeking reimbursement by exercising their rights under the Contacts Act 1999
7.The Claimant Claims:
a) value of the item as well as shipment costs and 8% interest - Total £417.03
d) Court Claim fee of £50.00

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At the letter of claim stage, you will only be able to claim a reimbursement for the value of your item plus any courier fees plus any insurance that you might have paid.
I would have hoped that it was clear to you that you would not be able to claim court fees because you haven't incurred any yet. Similarly, you can only start claiming 8% interest once you have issued the claim.

In terms of the draft particulars of claim, it would be a good idea to refer to the law which allows you to sue EVRi directly instead of the broker packlink.

Please post them up again

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Evri

Capitol House                                                                               

1 Capitol Close                                                                              

Morley

LEEDS

LS27 0WH

13 November  2023

Letter Of Claim for Non delivered Item reference:  xxxxxxxxxx

I request a full refund for the value of lost items and associated costs for shipping of said item. The amount which I am claiming for is £386.14 on the grounds that the item which was delivered is not the item which was shipped using your courier service.

If I do not receive a full refund from you within 14 days of the date of this letter, I intend to issue proceedings against you in the county court without further notice.

I understand that the initial contract was with Packlink however due to the fact they're domiciled in Spain. I will be pursuing legal action against yourselves under the Contracts (Rights of Third parties) Act 1999.

Regards,

xxxxx

 

Particulars of claim.

1. on the 8th November 2023, the claimant contracted the defendants to deliver a parcel to an address within the UK.
2. The declared value of the item in total was £380.00, Delivery fee: £6.14. Tracking number: H0067A0240612665
3. The defendant till claim date - 13th November 2023 has failed to deliver the parcel.
4. On 11th November 2023 Defendant customer support was contacted and on the 13th November 2023, the defendant confirmed that they had investigated the issue but were unable to resolve whilst also directing me to take up further action with Packlink.
5. The claimant is seeking reimbursement by exercising their rights under the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999
7.The Claimant Claims for losses of £386.14

 

Apologies getting aheaf of myself with costs to claim. As for the law which allows me to Sue EVRI I assume it was my typo in the original was the issue.

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Letter of claim is fine but one of your particulars of claim paragraphs is not quite correct because you didn't contract with the defendants.

However, the defendants did agree to carry your parcel to a UK address

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