Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[honeybee13]

Here's the article.

 

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[tobyjugg2]

Even the suggestion of any sort of deal which isnt 'we do what we like' will thoroughly p**s off the ERG

Rather strange given how they have utterly rolled over in surrender and offered their bellies like a abused and frightened dog over the Aus and India deals

[honeybee13]

TJ, to save me from repeatedly editing posts [the language filter doesn't seem to be working properly atm] could you be a bit more circumspect with swearwords please?

[unclebulgaria67]

UK to rejoin EU by 2030 ?

 

Ask 100 Leave voters what Brexit meant to them and they will have different answers.

 

But what is for certain, is that most asked this question, will say that they did not vote Leave to damage the UK economy.

 

The move towards a Swiss/EU form of relationship will be the first step in a series of steps that moves the UK towards rejoining a reformed EU.

 

UK needs to have frictionless trading with EU and there needs to be arrangements to allow easier movement of migrant workers, to help fill vacancies employers have.

[tobyjugg2]

Heres a thought

The situation is so bad at the moment, that even a very limited EU deal will improve the utterly dire situation quite disproportionately and will 'appear' far better than it is ..

Is that what Sunak is aiming for/trying to squeeze past the ERG?

 

on a related note, if the export situation is so dire for UK cattle and sheep farmers, why has the meat become so extraordinarily expensive? and thats just the cheaper cuts?

 

[tobyjugg2]

Well, being as they haven't delivered the:

 

* No one is threatening our place in the single market

* All the benefits, none of the costs

* No roaming charges

* or even lower immigration - just lower migrant workers

 

It seems well beyond time for Rees-Moggs 'second referendum once we know', let alone a money back refund from the Tories for their 'not as described' Brexhit

 

[theoldrouge]

20 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

TJ, to save me from repeatedly editing posts [the language filter doesn't seem to be working properly atm] could you be a bit more circumspect with swearwords please?

Shockingly offensive language 
Cleary takes his cue from Ms Rayner
My Wokie sensitivity’s will be offended next

[honeybee13]

I'm sure you remember from when you were on the site team that there are rules about swearing, TOR.

[theoldrouge]

Absolutely agree HB being used far too often lately imo

[honeybee13]

Bad news about the fishing industry in Hull.

 

Hull trawler to retire as Government slammed for fishing failures - Hull Live

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Hull's once mighty deep-sea fleet down to one, as MP says Tories have 'betrayed' fishing industry

 

[tobyjugg2]

Sunak translated

 

the government will also use its Brexit freedom to create a de-regulatory environment that supports innovation “in sectors like life sciences, financial services, AI, driven by ripped off and sold off patient ex-private data and financial crash generating freedoms”.

Edited November 21, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

One issue that must be concerning is the big increase in the costs of labour rates and materials. I have just had my Home Insurance renewal through and the premium has increased by 20%. This is because Insurance companies are having to pay out much more in claims to cover cost of materials needed to repair damage and for contractors pay rates. And the Insurers have increased the excesses for escape of water claims, presumably on the basis that more homeowners won't have heating on during the Winter.

 

The same increases in costs will impact on most building works, both domestic and commercial and this is going to feed into increased inflation as these costs are going to be passed on. So this will mean increased loans/mortgages and repayments due. Increased costs of goods in shops, as businesses will have to cover their costs.

 

This is not all down to Covid affecting production and shipping of materials and goods. Some of this will be down to Brexit, as the UK as an island nation is importing most of what is required. Therefore, if there is an increase in trading costs, the price of goods will increase. And if the supply of labour is reduced, wage rates increase and the costs of any contract works is increased.

 

Are Government and OBR being optimistic with their inflation forecasts ? Could the increase in costs continue to fuel inflation and it remains close to 10% for longer ?

[theoldrouge]

On 20/11/2022 at 13:13, tobyjugg2 said:

Well, being as they haven't delivered the:

 

* No one is threatening our place in the single market

* All the benefits, none of the costs

* No roaming charges

* or even lower immigration - just lower migrant workers

 

It seems well beyond time for Rees-Moggs 'second referendum once we know', let alone a money back refund from the Tories for their 'not as described' Brexhit

 

Well you will have to convince Starmer then who is now trying to out brexit our current New Labour government 
Not that you can trust a man who constantly campaigned for a rerun of the referendum of course 
His rhetoric is as false as Angela’s chest

[tobyjugg2]

Whoever the Angela is you are referring (even if its larry graysons ghost) it seems likely the referred chest would have more actual valid honest content  than the content of your conspiracy posts

 

So, rather than misdirecting, lets focus on the undelivered, not as described claims of the Brexhiters, which undelivered features and benefits was what the British people actually voted for -

 

* No one is threatening our place in the single market

* All the benefits, none of the costs

* No roaming charges

* lower immigration - NOT just lower migrant workers

 

and having failed delivery on the promised features and benefits, surely its well beyond time for Rees-Moggs 'second referendum once we know', let alone a money back refund from the Tories for their 'not as described' Brexhit

 

... From whoever is in government, Starmer, Nandy, Raynor or whoever the latest Tory party Temp with ZERO mandate might be.

Edited November 22, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

While we wait for an engaged answer

 

With the West focuses on the fight back of Ukraine from the Russian invasion, Turkye and Iran are bombing the wests forgotten Kurdish allies in Syria and iraq

With Turk'ye seeming to be expecting to actually invade Syria (now Russia is resource drained) to massacre the Kurds and gain back a bit of its empire

 

I think theres a chance the Syria issue will be resolved before we get straight answers from Brexiters

Edited November 22, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

The Guardian's newsletter this morning has their Brussels correspondent on why the EU wouldn't consider a Switzerland-style deal for the UK. Cherry picking again.

 

Tuesday briefing: Why European leaders don’t want a ‘Swiss-style’ deal for the UK | Switzerland | The Guardian

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In today’s newsletter: Many in Britain now yearn for closer ties to the EU, but what does the European Union want? Our Brussels correspondent explains...

 

[tobyjugg2]

Says it all:

“You don’t get much reaction from Brussels or national governments to stories like this,” Jennifer said. “They know it’s a test balloon for domestic consumption.”

 

The Brexhiters are still spinning the cake and eat it versions of this that and the other deals despite any even slim possibility of that also flushed into UK waterways in the first few months, when the EU realised they weren't dealing with the canny, capable British of old, and were dealing with dishonest gob****e fantasists. who couldn't be trusted to honor any deal they agreed anyway.

[tobyjugg2]

LOL

 

 

[honeybee13]

I was about to post that, TJ. Arch Brexiter wants to use the ECHR - amazing.

[tobyjugg2]

I think its more a spoiler attack on Sunak by a corrupt (IMO) 'Johnsonite who sees Johnson as his route back to a peerage and lobbying payments, and is happy to attack the tory party to pursue those ends

Edited November 22, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

That would be a very cynical thing to do, but who knows?

[tobyjugg2]

I think the only doubt is whether

 it is

* ERG + the really extreme right

*Johnson camp

* some mixture of them as they are a hodge podge of self interested parties

that is .. behind him .. driving his self-interest

Edited November 22, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Six years on from the referendum, we can see clearly there are no economic opportunities from Brexit; nor any social or environmental benefits. Brexit has been a disaster.

Carla Denyer

[tobyjugg2]

just a point on Patersons bull about deporting immigrants ..

Is that all to Rwanda at a £100k+ a shot? as the vast majority of countries wouldn't accept deported migrants from the UK ... as it breaches the convention on human rights and they have no agreements with us.

 

We could deport EU nationals back to the EU while we were a member - dont think we can do even that anymore unless they agree

Edited November 22, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Speaking of the ERG.

 

European Research Group Loses Two-Thirds of its Paid-Up Members – Byline Times

BYLINETIMES.COM

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The hard-Brexit lobbying group, which produces research paid for by taxpayer-funded expenses, appears to be losing support