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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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Bank Parking ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - wrong reg - Appeal failed - Belvedere Street Car Park, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, NG18 1JJ


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Don't forget that even the IAS appeal officer more or less suggested that your son had paid -

"The Operator's evidence shows no payment for the Appellant's vehicle, or anything similar. It does show two payments for the same registration in quick succession. I would take a reasonable guess, based on the circumstances described, that the person paying has paid for the registration of the person they assisted again."

Simple mistake that many people make-inputting the wrong registration number. Baroness Walmsley took TFL to Court and won over a similar case as yours son's. The Judge pointed out that the Law was designed to punish those who didn't pay, not those who had paid.

You have a difficult decision to make over whether to go to Court or not. It cannot be easy for you knowing that perhaps the best way to not have to pay the PCN is to go to Court and yet you can only guess how it may affect your son.

i was looking back at your thread and saw that you had crossed out the address of the car park that the alleged breach occurred. I wonder if you would be good enough to include the whole address that is on he original PCN including the postcode to see if there is anything further to help you and your son.

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Take your sentiments on board

when I put the car park address etc it got removed

I will give it again Belverdere Street Car Park, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, NG18 1JJ.

I am really keen not to do mediation but don`t want to risk causing my son any more grief if things go badly at Court this as been going on for a long time and it is stressful. 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Bank Parking ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - wrong reg - Appeal failed - Belverdere Street Car Park, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, NG18 1JJ

need the exact address from the claimform POC...

you've left it out of the sticky you filled out.

 

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On 15/12/2023 at 15:11, FTMDave said:

You seem to have worked out how to sort out this certificate much better than anyone on CAG!

However, you have written to a bulk processing centre, not a real court in the normal sense of the term.  Probably they've lost your letter-

Once the case gets allocated to your local court, write there, and all will be sorted out quickly.

There it is, as clear as clear can be.  An extra payment which can't be matched to a vehicle - obviously made by your son.  It backs up your story right from the start that you helped an elderly lady too.  Two payments were made with her registration.

and now you have the reg number, i bet it's the other car your son helped with. why would someone pay twice. pretty obvious really and within the time frame of when your son was parked there.

pers id not do mediation.

the above as @FTMDave says is a claim winner .

thread title updated.

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and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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its quite simple to sort

you've had the email giving the date and time? from the mediation service yet?

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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when they ring simply tell them you don't want to mediation

or you could reply to their email and state no...you dont have enough information to meaningfully enter into mediation.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi

 

My son has received a Notice of transfer of proceedings dated 23rd January 2024 

"To all parties"

The small claims mediation team has arranged for your case to be transferred to a hearing centre as they were not able to arrange mediation at this time/or mediation or mediation has been unsuccessful on your claim.

The claim has been transferred to the County Court Hearing Centre listed below for allocation. On receipt the file will be referred to a procedural Judge who will allocate the claim to track and give case management directions. 

Details of the Judges directions will be sent to you in a notice of allocation.

If you would like any further information you can contact the local County Court Hearing Centre directly but please await the Judge`s directions.

County Court Derby (185)

 

I did ask for our local Court, which is Chesterfield.  Derby is a city not close to us and only way we could go is by train which keep striking our local County Court is only 7 miles away.

I have asked the Civil National Business Centre twice to receive something so I can represent my son, I have not had any response. My son would not be able to represent himself.  My grandson paid the fee will he have to appear as a witness and my sons carer was the driver will they have to be a witness too?

 

Thanks

 

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27 minutes ago, Laura Cooke said:

My grandson paid the fee will he have to appear as a witness and my sons carer was the driver will they have to be a witness too?

no and no.

27 minutes ago, Laura Cooke said:

My son has received a Notice of transfer of proceedings dated 23rd January 2024 

simply wait for the NOA to arrive.

derby are simply the hearing processing centre by the looks of things for that area.

dx

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On 15/12/2023 at 14:07, Laura Cooke said:

a letter came from Northampton 12th October 2023, A general form of Judgement, saying we failed to file the directions questionnaire,

need you to scan this up 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I responded to the Court over the 9th November letter from them telling them reason we had not responded to it before was because we had not received anything. They then told us to respond which I did agreeing to mediation but I was advised by CAG I should not have agreed to this so I then refused to do it and let them know.

I have no idea how to upload things to you as I have tried previously and you only accept one way of doing it and I have no idea how you do this, hence why I tell you word for word what it says on any letter received.

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So wait to hear from Chesterfield court, and once that happens contact them about representing your son.

As for uploads ... well doesn't the upload guide explain what to do?  I'm the world's worst with these things, and the first time I had to upload something here I was sure it would go wrong, but it went right because whoever had prepared the guide had been so clear.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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id missed the litigant friend court form you sent

now in the post.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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That's because Northampton is just a faceless bulk processing centre.

On 31/01/2024 at 00:38, FTMDave said:

So wait to hear from Chesterfield court, and once that happens contact them about representing your son.

 

We could do with some help from you.

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I sent two letters that came from the Court yesterday to DX100uk email,

the case as been transferred to Chesterfield,

I only got my laptop back today and I couldn`t get hold of CAG web site on my phone.

I will contact the Court tomorrow to ask to represent my Son

what happens now please.

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It's good to see you back on here Laura. 

Dx will respond when he gets home. He is very efficient like that. 

In the meantime have you received the witness statement from Bank? And you have completed one yourself ? 

I know the thought of going to Court can be quite daunting but the one you are going to is nothing like the ones you see in films.

The Judge does not wear a wig and the whole proceedings are pretty informal.

Just go there with your son knowing that you will win and don't forget to tell your son that too.

He has nothing to worry about.

he won't have to pay a penny and you should get your car fare and parking fees paid and a days pay if you have taken the whole day off work.

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Received paper work from Bank months ago stating why the charge stood if that is a witness statement and I might have filled one in would have to look tomorrow as been ill in bed today, I do not work and neither does my son 

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no docs to me

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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