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    • "We suffer more in imagination than in reality" - really pleased this all happened. Settled by TO, full amount save as to costs and without interest claimed. I consider this a success but feel free to move this thread to wherever it's appropriate. I say it's a success because when I started this journey I was in a position of looking to pay interest on all these accounts, allowing them to default stopped that and so even though I am paying the full amount, it is without a doubt reduced from my position 3 years ago and I feel knowing this outcome was possible, happy to gotten this far, defended myself in person and left with a loan with terms I could only dream of, written into law as interest free! I will make better decisions in the future on other accounts, knowing key stages of this whole process. We had the opportunity to speak in court, Judge (feels like just before a ruling) was clear in such that he 'had all the relevant paperwork to make a judgement'. He wasn't pleased I hadn't settled before Court.. but then stated due to WS and verbal arguments on why I haven't settled, from my WS conclusion as follows: "11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. "  He offered to stand down the case to give us chance to settle and that that was for my benefit specifically - their Sols didn't want to, he asked me whether I wanted to proceed to judgement or be given the opportunity to settle. Naturally, I snapped his hand off and we entered negotiations (took about 45 minutes). He added I should get legal advice for matters such as these. They were unwilling to agree to a TO unless it was full amount claimed, plus costs, plus interest. Which I rejected as I felt that was unfair in light of the circumstances and the judges comments, I then countered with full amount minus all costs and interest over 84 months. They accepted that. I believe the Judge wouldn't have been happy if they didn't accept a payment plan for the full amount, at this late stage. The judge was very impressed by my articulate defence and WS (Thanks CAG!) he respected that I was wiling to engage with the process but commented only I  can know whether this debt is mine, but stated that Civil cases were based on balance of probabilities, not without shadow of a doubt, and all he needs to determine is whether the account existed. Verbal arguments aside; he has enough evidence in paperwork for that. He clarified that a copy of a DN and NOA is sufficient proof based on balance of probabilities that they were served. I still disagree, but hey, I'm just me.. It's definitely not strict proof as basically I have to prove the negative (I didn't receive them/they were not served), which is impossible. Overall, a great result I think! BT  
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Hi Admiral, thanks for your reply, will wait a couple of days after deadline then. What has been going on lately then for the courts to get tougher? I think I read yr thread earlier, yr waiting for a cheque aren't you?

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Hi Egough, If i've got it right look at the judgement on the following thread - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/20752-kazzaw-lloyds-asset-card.html

 

A Judge at Lincoln Crown Court has made a judgement threatning to strike out the defence on the basis of wasting court time. Could have dramatic implications for the way claims are going. There was another one done in the Jodyperry thread - which I'm going to find now.

 

I'm waiting for my settlement which if not any day now, will be sure to come once a date has been set for the hearing, both AQ's having been filed. I will keep you posted and hope yours foillows soon after.

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Read the thread you mentioned......WOW!!! Your right, EVERYONE SHOULD SEE THIS THREAD!!! Let me know if you find that other thread, would like to read that too. How great would it be if all judges were like that!!! Hope yr cheque comes soon Admiral, will you be claiming back your £100 for your AQ? If so, how? I've a little while yet but should hope to see the light at the end of the tunnel soon!

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The Jodyperry one is at http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/natwest-bank/56900-judge-striking-out-defence.html

 

Seems to be the same format as the other - its from same County Court.

 

I would expect any settlement to include the AQ fee, or else I will just decline withdrawing the action until it's paid.

Cheers.

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Well Postie has been this morning and I've received Natwest's defence (1 day early!!!) It seems pretty bog standard. It does mention on 3) the following: "On allocation the Defendant invotes the Court to direct that there be a case management conference in order for the Court to consider themaking of appropriate order to give the Claimient the opportunity to properly particularise her claim". Not sure what this means, can anyone spread any light on it? Does it mean they are going to take it to court? I have no mention of a CPR 18 - is that good?

 

Not sure what to do now? Do I just wait for an AQ from the courts? How long does it take to come through? Cobblers are also asking for am acknowledgement receipt, do I send them one and if so, what? And via letter or email? copy to the court? Someone please tell me im getting near the end......!!!!!!! :confused:

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"On allocation the Defendant invotes the Court to direct that there be a case management conference in order for the Court to consider themaking of appropriate order to give the Claimient the opportunity to properly particularise her claim". Not sure what this means, can anyone spread any light on it? Does it mean they are going to take it to court?
No, it's an empty threat to scare and intimidate you

 

I have no mention of a CPR 18 - is that good?

Well it saves you sending the bog off letter.

Not sure what to do now? Do I just wait for an AQ from the courts?
Yers

Cobblers are also asking for am acknowledgement receipt, do I send them one
Yes just brief 1 liner that you've received
itAnd via letter or email?
Either will do
copy to the court?
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do you think its worth me giving them a call? I'm just worried that if I mention to them the AQ it might remind them whereas I know that some people have been lucky enough to skip this stage and go straight to getting their payout! What do you think?

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I don't think it will help. You have to bide your time.

My advice has hardly any legal foundation whatsoever, however you never know it it might just work!

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NatWest Prelim 07.10.206

LBA 21.10.2006

MCOL 30.10.2006

Acknowledgment of Service 06.11.2006

Offer of approx 50% £2200.00 22.11.2006

Full settlement £4500 received 03.01.2007

Smile settled in full

Barclaycard settled in full

RBS Worldwide settled in full

Lloyds TSB settled in full £750.00

Lloyds TSB settled in Full £275.00 11.04.2007

Lloyds TSB business account £1376.00 AQ filed

Lloyds TSB Business account settled in full 21.05.07

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do you think its worth me giving them a call? I'm just worried that if I mention to them the AQ it might remind them whereas I know that some people have been lucky enough to skip this stage and go straight to getting their payout! What do you think?

 

You have received a copy of the defence. Once they defend the next stage is you will receive an AQ.

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Just caught up with you - Don't panic - standard stuff. Their defence seems to be the same for most. I was wondering if I had to look at specific parts but soon found out it's standard garbage. Just confirm receipt. Wait for the AQ to come from the Court. Once you've filled it in and filed it with court + £100 AQ Fee and copy to Cobbetts, they will know you are serious and start sorting out your cheque. Just like mine. Cheers.:cool:

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Hi Chaps, got my AQ in the post this morning and will fill out using the info on here (anyone got a quick link they could give me save me trawling through?? thanks) Would I be doing myself any favours by returning it before my deadline date of 2nd Feb - would it spead it up? Think i'm near the end now!!!

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Hi, Just found it for you - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/11644-allocation-questionnaires-guide-completion.html

 

I don't think it will speed things up getting it in early, but at least you know you've done it - don't leave things till the last minute, something might come up to distract you from getting it in on time. There may be a link on the thread to a download AQ you can use instead of the one they sent you. Make sure its the same version, there are two in existence. I thought they had issued me with the wrong one but the court said it doesn't really matter which you use. If you use the download one - you can't save it, just fill out the details and print three copies so you've got the one for Cobbetts and one for yourself. It looks pukka and give a better impression that you know what you are doing. Cheers

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Sending it back early certainly does'nt speed things up, but it should give pleasure in knowing it's gonna cost Nat West a further 100 quid :D

 

For help with your AQ see here:

 

Allocation Questionnaires - A guide to completion

 

You could also propose a Draft Directions Order:

New strategy for Allocation Questionaires

 

Other Information - Section G:

 

 

I am respectfully requesting that my claim be allocated to the small claims track.

 

This issue is not a complicated one; it is an issue of fact and not of law. The issue is only whether the money levied by the Defendant in respect of its customer’s contractual breaches exceed their actual costs incurred. I am happy to pay their actual costs and I am surprised the Defendant did not counterclaim for these, because I would have paid them without argument.

 

However, the continuing problem is, (in common with the 100s of other cases currently being brought by other bank customers), that the banks refuse to reveal the details of their penalty-charging regime. As the banks have a fiduciary duty towards their customers, they have a duty to deal straightforwardly and in utmost good faith.

 

Accordingly, I would respectfully ask that the court in this case, not withstanding allocation to the small claims track, order standard disclosure. I understand that it is in the courts discretion to do so. This would bring a rapid end, not only to this litigation, but would also likely bring an end to much of the litigation in progress against other high-street banks.

 

It's a bit of squeeze, but very important you enter all the details.

 

Include copy of schedule

 

Cheque to HM Courts Service

 

Fee will be added automatically to your claim

 

Send copy of your AQ to Cobbetts

 

Hope this helps!! :wink:

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Admiral and Dellar - thanks so much, your replies are a huge help and i've no further questions (for a change!!) Have now filled out AQ and will be taking it to the court shortly. Fingers crossed.......

 

Don't suppose anyone could hazard a guess as to how far I am from getting my cheque...........

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Had another letter from Cobbetts this morning with an offer of a goodwill payment of £2,500 - only half of my claim. The letter looks pretty standard, saying I won't win in court, not to disclose to any third party blah blah. Will send letter of rejection today - shall I send it recorded to Cobbetts? And do I need to send a copy to the courts? Shall I say on my rejection letter that I will be submitting my AQ within the next 7 days?

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You could use this one:-

 

Thank you for your letter dated Xth January 2007.

 

I respectfully decline your offer of settlement and request, once again, that you return to me all charges imposed on this account, interest and court fees, which together with the daily rate of £0.XX now total £xxxx as of XXth January 2007.

 

I will accept the sum offered only as part settlement and on the clear understanding that I will pursue recovery of the remainder.

 

I will be willing to withdraw my claim upon receipt of unconditional full settlement of my claim.

 

I am also not prepared to agree to any confidentiality clauses you try to impose, unless of course your client wishes to make an offer of due consideration in addition to the amount of £xxxxx, in order to be afforded this privilege by myself.

 

I trust this clarifies my position.

 

Yours faithfully

IF MY COMMENTS HAVE HELPED PLEASE CLICK MY SCALES

 

Don't be like the banks - give a little back

 

 

:D NAT WEST - WON - £4282.36:D

 

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Thanks once again Dellar, your a star and worth yr weight in gold! I will use the template you gave me and put it in the post today. Do you think sending 1st class is ok or should I send it recorded?

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