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    • statute barring in Scotland is 5yrs from last payment/use date or date of default Notice + 14 days, whichever is the later. dont confuse that with the 6yrs debts show on credit files (DN's 6th bday regardless to payment or not). they'd never get a claim raised by august in 99% of cases . as long all these debts were taken out whilst resident in scotland and you have not moved since taking them out but failed to inform the original creditor before the debt sale....... then stay radio silent until sb date is reached. then if you wish send our scottish sb letter. just remember unlike E&W in scotland debts are extinguished, dead , gone , parrot. once SB'd dx  
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i apologise if this is the wrong area of the forum, i'm a bit lost.

 

received a letter in Nov 2020 from Robinson Way - pre legal assessment for a debt i have no knowledge of and appears to have been sold 3 times

 

responded to letter stating i have no knowledge of this debt or accept any liability for any such debt, requested a copy of the agreement

 

response received from Hoist finance (different company??) in april 2021 stating that they are unable to source the additional information i requested.

 

Today received a Claim Form,

i have filed a AOS but am now stumped as particular of claim relate to failed to remedy the breach in accordance with a default notice issued pursuant to SS 87(1) & 88. 

 

any help would be extremely grateful as i have checked my credit file and can find nothing relating to this

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Did you ever receive a letter of claim which is several sheets and asks you to say if you admit, deny the debt etc. So often claims can be seen off if you answer these correctly . I know that doesn't help you at the moment.

 

Once more details are known more help can be given , for example sending a CCA request and a CPR 31.14 request for documents mentioned in the particulars of claim (such as the default notice).

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Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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Name of the Claimant ? Hoist Finance UK Holdings

 

Date of issue –  18th may 2021

 

Particulars of Claim

 

What is the claim for – 

 

1. The claim is for the sum of £1771 arising from the defendants breach of a regulated consumer credit agreement reference under no XXX  

 

2.The defendant has failed to remedy the breach in accordance with a Default Notice issued pursuant to ss. 87(1) and 88 of the CCA. 

 

3.The claimant claims the sums due from the defendant following the legal assignment of the agreement from IDEM Capital securities Ltd (EX EGG PLC).  Written notice of the assignment has been given.

 

4.The Claimant claims

1.     The sum of £1771

2.     Costs.

 

What is the total value of the claim? 1956

 

Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? no, only pre legal assessment
 

Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? Yes
 

Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? No

Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? CC???


 

When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? not sure possibly pre 

 

Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? not sure 

 

Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? No 

 

Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Debt purcahser
 

Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? no idea 

 

Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Do not remember as so long ago 

 

Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? not sure
 

Why did you cease payments? At least 5 years ago,
 

What was the date of your last payment? No idea
 

Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? Don’t know
 

Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Don’t no
 

 

i had a pre legal assessment,  and in that i clearly stated that i had no knowledge of the debt or accepted this debt, this is when i requested the contract ..should of said the pre legal assessment was from Robinson Way not from this Hoist Finance

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IDEM are a DCA , so hoist/RW has bought an old EGG credit card debt from them... pass the parcel.

did you ever have an EGG Card Card?

 

is the agreement number in the POC 16 digits long?

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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and how many digits please................

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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then it's not a credit card, could it have been a loan?

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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yep they did

what does the pre legal letter say or use?

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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pre legal assessment came from RW,  uses same 10 digit account no and states due to: HFUKH3L (Ex IDEM EX EGG)   then the response to that came 6 mths later using the same account no from Hoist finance , i'll try and scan and upload both letters   thank you so very much for your help with this 

 

these are the letters.  

letters PDF.pdf

 

i have checked my credit file again, there is nothing on there for this amount and anything around that time is paid and closed

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thats ok you've done AOS so all we need to sort is CCA and CPR requests.

 

you can get the CPR running today to their solicitors if you wish.

 

get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant]
...
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https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/

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 type your name ONLY
Do Not sign anything
.
you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork 
you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count]

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well lets find out if its statute barred 1st. 6yrs no payment

 

do you have access from the bank account you might have paid it from?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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doesn't matter you could still ring and ask.

 

it might also be worthy to ring CITI (who took over most EGG stuff) at their canadian Square operations address and see if you can findout last payment debt, and ofcourse findout if it was a loan or Card. do not be tempted to ring the fleecers even if told too.

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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any news?

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Hoist Claimform - old EGG debt

Canadian square are usually very good who did they say to try..you need to find out if this is a loan or a CC and most importantly your last payment date..what about your old bank?

 

this could be SB'd ...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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went round in a circle with them, rang their main number, they transferred me to Egg/Barclaycard who then transferred me to another number where nobody answered.  tried 3 times and again today 

should i contact IDEM as it states that it was assigned from them?

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 They wont know last payment date. Dcas dont have any paperwork.. The fact hoist dont know what type of credit it was is their problem not yours.

 

dont give up on CSO ring again you might get a diff person.. Some there can be extremely helpful.

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks, i've just logged into a v old email account and found something from Egg from 2005 for a loan, so i'm presuming its this...there is no acc no though so i can't match it up.  i'll try CITI again.

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Brill well done

so now you have the original agreement number

so go ask citi ....who will have payment details for my loan please any idea?

 

Plead a bit stating you have an active court claim and need to better prove your memory of last payment date

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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