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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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doesn't really mean anything other than an office junior has clicked a box as they will have A/c with them.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Received a big envelope of bumpf from the lovely Lowell's today today. Only from one of my 'accounts' the smaller one.

 

Had a copy of assignment letter, a statement and an unsigned copy of credit agreement (signed by them, not me)

and paperwork for Tomlin order for the full outstanding amount. 

 

Was halfway through sorting my witness statement 😢🙄

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std practice for lowells, begging please give us something.

if you go read any recent Lowell claimform threads.

 

dx

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Can you scan redact and upload a copy of the agreement ?

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all the pages and pdf only please read upload

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Name still showing on NOA 1 and they do state that they have not included the default notices. The agreement is a reconstituted version ......but it looks short of the required prescribes that must be included on a reconstituted version....signatures are not required...but account number s and addresses at the the time of inception, not your current address if you have moved since.

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document redacted and PDF put back up as one file!!

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks for looking at them for me Andy,

 

I'd already started putting together my WS and this  has thrown me 😢🤯

 

even tho I was expecting an envelope from them.

 

Why wouldn't they send copies of DN?

Will they pull out of the bag at the final hour? 

 

Thanks for tidying up for me Dx, appreciate it 

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no they can't do that.

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Creditors are not required to retain copies of a default notice......they are required to evidence that one was served though.

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Cover letters are irrelevant with regards to court claim evidence..and inadmissible as evidence.

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Here is my first attempt at my witness statement, it really is harder that it likes isn't it 🤯🤯🤯

 

 

 

In the xxxxxxxxCounty Court

 

Claim No.....

 

BETWEEN

 

Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd (Claimant)

 

Of Enterprise House

 

1 Apex View

 

LS11 9BH

 

-and-

 

Mrsxxxxxxxxxcxxxxxxxx(Defendant)

 

Ofxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxaddress

 

--------------------------------------------------------

 

WITNESS STATEMENT OF Mrs xxxxxxxxxx(Defendant)

 

---------------------------------------------------------

 

1. I make this statement in support of my defence to the claim above and include relevant evidence and exhibits.

 

2. This claim is for a Home Shopping agreement regulated by the consumer credit Act 1974 between the Defendant and JD Williams & Company Ltd. Whilst I have had dealings with the original creditors in the past, I do not recognise any of the account details as I no longer have records of them.

 

3. I recall or may have had catalogue accounts a number of years ago to purchase some items on interest free credit.

 

 

4. I am unaware of any outstanding balances nor do I recall been chased by the original creditors nor ever been issued with a default notice pursuant to the CCA 1974.

 

5. I therefore cannot recall the details with any clarity nor make any admittance to any alleged debt.

 

6. On the 20/08/2019, in response to particulars of claim served upon me,I enquired for more clarity by way of a CCA request (exhibit a) from the claimant and CPR 31.14 request (exhibit b) on the claimants solicitor for informations including ;. I) True copy of the agreement, II) The assignment, III) The default notice, IV) The termination and, V)statement of account. 

 

7. On or around the 22/08/2019 I received a confirmation receipt from the claimant stating that they had received my CCA and CPR request and that they had requested the relevant documentation from the original creditor. 

 

 

8. On 19/02/2020 I received a response from the claimant by way of an online agreement, along with a very vague statement of account, an assignment letter and paperwork for Tomlin order which were not served with the particulars of claim at the onset. The documentation was for only one of the accounts 

(exhibit c cover letter) 

(exhibit d assignment letter - 2 pages) 

(exhibit e credit agreement 2 pages) 

(exhibit f statement 2 pages) 

(exhibit g Tomlin order paperwork 2 pages) 

 

 

8. The claimant and its solicitors have not been able to satisfactorily comply to my CCA and CPR request in pursuant to s 78 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The claimant have not been able to prove any breach of defaulted payments nor have they provided a copy of any Default Notice. 

 

9. The claimant have not been able to clarify by way of an itemised list of how the alleged outstanding balance was derived and the legality of the charges applied to the said balance.

 

 

 

I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true.

 

 

 

Xxxxxxxxxxx signature

 

Xxxxxxxxxxxx Date

 

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3. I recall or may have had catalogue accounts a number of years ago to purchase some items on interest free credit.

 

3. I have held numerous accounts with various catalogue companies in the past  I am unaware of any outstanding balances nor do I recall been contacted by the original creditors nor ever been issued with a default notice pursuant to the CCA 1974. I therefore cannot recall the details with any clarity nor make any admittance to any alleged debt.

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In the xxxxxxxxCounty Court

 

Claim No.....

 

BETWEEN

 

Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd (Claimant)

 

Of Enterprise House

 

1 Apex View

 

LS11 9BH

 

-and-

 

Mrsxxxxxxxxxcxxxxxxxx(Defendant)

 

Ofxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxaddress

 

--------------------------------------------------------

 

WITNESS STATEMENT OF Mrs xxxxxxxxxx(Defendant)

 

---------------------------------------------------------

 

1. I make this statement in support of my defence to the claim above and include relevant evidence and exhibits.

 

2. This claim is for a Home Shopping agreement regulated by the consumer credit Act 1974 between the Defendant and JD Williams & Company Ltd. Whilst I have had dealings with the original creditors in the past, I do not recognise any of the account details as I no longer have records of them.

 

3. I recall or may have had catalogue accounts a number of years ago to purchase some items on interest free credit.

I have held numerous accounts with various catalogue companies in the past I am unaware of any outstanding balances nor do I recall been contacted by the original creditors nor ever been issued with a default notice pursuant to the CCA 1974. I therefore cannot recall the details with any clarity nor make any admittance to any alleged debt.

 

4. On the 20/08/2019, in response to particulars of claim served upon me,I enquired for more clarity by way of a CCA request (exhibit a) from the claimant and CPR 31.14 request (exhibit b) on the claimants solicitor for informations including ;. I) True copy of the agreement, II) The assignment, III) The default notice, IV) The termination and, V)statement of account. 

 

5. On or around the 22/08/2019 I received a confirmation receipt from the claimant stating that they had received my CCA and CPR request and that they had requested the relevant documentation from the original creditor. 

 

 

6. On 19/02/2020 I received a response from the claimant by way of an online agreement, along with a very vague statement of account, an assignment letter and paperwork for Tomlin order which were not served with the particulars of claim at the onset. 

The documentation was for only one of the accounts 

(exhibit c cover letter) 

(exhibit d assignment letter - 2 pages) 

(exhibit e credit agreement 2 pages) 

(exhibit f statement 2 pages) 

(exhibit g Tomlin order paperwork 2 pages) 

 

 

8. The claimant and its solicitors have not been able to satisfactorily comply to my CCA and CPR request in pursuant to s 78 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The claimant have not been able to prove any breach of defaulted payments nor have they provided a copy of any Default Notice. 

 

9. The claimant have not been able to clarify by way of an itemised list of how the alleged outstanding balance was derived and the legality of the charges applied to the said balance.

 

 

 

I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true.

 

 

 

Xxxxxxxxxxx signature

 

Xxxxxxxxxxxx Date

 

Thanks for looking at it Andy, appreciate it more than you know. 

I'm really struggling to hold my nerve now, I know you say dentists are scarier than court but I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that. 

Just to confirm, all I need to send with my WS i are any exhibits that I've attached? Nothing else 

 

Thanks ☺️

 

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3. I have held numerous accounts with various catalogue companies in the past 

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