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Hi, 

 

1 Date of the infringement 18/04/2019

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 24/04/2019

3 Date received 26/04/2019

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] No

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal] No

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up Not yet appealed

7 Who is the parking company? Excel Parking

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Media City, Manchester

 

Apparently the car did overstay by about 20 minutes, but I wasn't the driver - in fact I don't drive!  So a quick question about Excel Parking, do I just ignore this invoice until I receive a notice before action?

 

Thanks

 

 

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scan up the NTK bothsides to one PDF please

read upload


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Hope these are readable...

 

 

 

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pdf please read upload


PLEASE DONT HIT QUOTE IF THE LAST POST IS THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TOO.

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My apologies, I did read the upload page but the . pdf came out at 24mb which is too large and it says on the upload page that .jpg was a accepted file type. I've compressed the . pdf now but let me know if there are any more issues...

 

excel-pcn-media-city.pdf

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Now is the place near to you and can you get down there and take some pictures of the sigange at the entrance to the land and also any signs that are around that are different to the first ones. If there is a payemtn machine then a picture of the blurb on that as well. We need to be able to read all of the small print please.

 

You say you dont drive but are you the registered keeper of the vehicle concerned? A keeper liability can be created if certain conditions are met, Excel cant be arsed to do that most of the time but are happy to lie about if afterwards

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DO NOT APPEAL, they are members of a trade association called the IPC and they never allow appeals so dont waste your time and more importantly you wont then say the wrong thing

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No intention of appealing, I've read your advice on many other threads about the futility of appealing to the IPC.

 

This car park is about an hour away from where I live but one of my sons works in Media City, Manchester so I will get him to take some pictures of the signage next time he is there. Unfortunately he doesn't go into his office that often, but hopefully he'll be there some time next week and I can post them here.

 

I  was hoping you were going to say the onus was on Excel to prove I was the driver which would be pretty difficult for them given that I don't drive any more :-)

 

Yes I am the registered keeper of the vehicle involved...

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No intention of appealing, I've read your advice on many other threads about the futility of appealing to the IPC.

 

This car park is about an hour away from where I live but one of my sons works in Media City, Manchester so I will get him to take some pictures of the signage next time he is there. Unfortunately he doesn't go into his office that often, but hopefully he'll be there some time next week and I can post them here.

 

I  was hoping you were going to say the onus was on Excel to prove I was the driver which would be pretty difficult for them given that I don't drive any more :-)

 

Yes I am the registered keeper of the vehicle involved...

 

EDIT: My son is working there on Saturday so will be able to post the images then.

 

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good.

If the wording of a NTK is POFA compliant them a keeper liability is created. That was their tade off when they banned clamping.

the parking co's now want to change the law so keeper is automatically liable because too many of them cant comply with the existing regulations by sending out letters written in proper english in the correct time and that has limited their money grubbing a little.

this has been rebuffed once but it wont go away

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sorry ray 

but I've had to remove all those pix

can you pop them into one multipage PDF please

so members can zoom them and download if they want too

 

with JPG images being posted directly to a topic it forces people on slow connections or when mobile to download several 10'sMb they might not want to due to speeds


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No worries, here's the PDF...

 

The last image is from Excel Parking's web page where they post images of the "offence" - it differs from the image we took today in that it doesn't have the laminates added.

 

 

Media-City-Parking-Signs.pdf

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Ok lets pick holes in their signage.

 

refer to terms  on parking meters- well if you dont pay the money then you havent acceptedthe contract but that doesnt prohibit you from parking, you just cant owe these bandits any money.

 

none of the signage is lit so damned difficult to read. The first sign doesnt appear the be facing the public highway so how are you supposed to be able to read it and agree (or not) to its terms before you turn into the land.

 

anyway, the driver bought a ticket so the terms on the meter apply. No mention there of paying anyone £1m for overstaying your welcome, it says parking charges and that implies you will be invited to pay the tariff set by the terms on the ticket machine, not £100 for breach of contract.

 

They do go on to say that they will issue a PCN if you do the above things but that doesnt flow from the contract so they have worded the conditions on the meter badly.

 

In a way it is a shame that anyone fed the meter at all as the other sign doesnt force you to agree to anything as it is an invitation to treat.

 

 

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Thanks for the reply...

 

It doesn't sound like there's much room to wriggle out of it from what you've said although I'm hoping I've misunderstood you - is that what you were saying? 

 

You mentioned in an earlier post about creating a keeper liability if the Notice to Keeper is POFA compliant, are you saying this is the case here?

 

My understanding (which admittedly is NOT based on much experience) is that if no keeper liability is created, then they have to prove I was the driver, which I wasn't.

 

 

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reading it wrong ray...

 

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the big signs give you the choice of parking without paying and ignoring any other notice, the wording on the meter is confusing as it seems to offer 2 separate deals

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dx100uk/ericsbrother

- sorry to be a pain,

it must be agonising having to deal with numpties like me every day,

but I'm still not 100% sure where to go with this.

 

I think from what you said that I shouldn't think of paying these robbers?

 

So do I just ignore anything they send me until I receive a letter before action?

Then what?

I'm assuming there's a form letter somewhere that I would then send off to there legal team?

 

If any of that is wrong let me know...

 

Ray

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that is your choice, we are saying that their signage is not a contract so you dont owe them money under a contract or for breach of contract as none properly exists.

 

No you dotn write to them if you want to fight this, they will see that as knowing that you care deeply about them and will pay them if they just use the right fib or threaten you enough.

 

nw find out about the planning permission

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I've search Salford Council planning portal and there are 52 registered historic planning applications for the sector where this car park is. Been through them all and NONE of them relate to Excel Parking, VCS, or signage for this car park.

 

Quick question - is that enough to be satisfied that they don't have permission for any signage, or are there other steps I should take to make sure?

 

I've Googled this question and every piece of advice says that if planning permission exists it will be in the portal, but want to check what the advice on here is...

 

Ray

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Most parking companies don't bother with the niceties of complying with the Law which makes life easier for the motorist.

 

If it gets as far as them threatening Court action part of your defence would be to say that you do not believe they have the legal permission to erect signs etc.

 

That means the signs are illegal [not  unlawful] and you cannot be held to an illegal contract.

 

In the highly unlikely event that they can present proof we always recommend that you have more than one argument to beat them over the head.

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as the building is too modern to have any ancient approvals hidden away in drawers in the basement you can be certain they donn have PP

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