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    • The property was our family home.  A fixed low rate btl/ development loan was given (last century!). It was derelict. Did it up/ was rented out for a while.  Then moved in/out over the years (mostly around school)  It was a mix of rental and family home. The ad-hoc rents covered the loan amply.  Nowadays  banks don't allow such a mix.  (I have written this before.) Problems started when the lease was extended and needed to re-mortgage to cover the expense.  Wanted another btl.  Got a tenant in situ. Was located elsewhere (work). A broker found a btl lender, they reneged.  Broker didn't find another btl loan.  The tenant was paying enough to cover the proposed annual btl mortgage in 4 months. The broker gave up trying to find another.  I ended up on a bridge and this disastrous path.  (I have raised previous issues about the broker) Not sure what you mean by 'split'.  The property was always leasehold with a separate freeholder  The freeholder eventually sold the fh to another entity by private agreement (the trust) but it's always been separate.  That's quite normal.  One can't merge titles - unless lease runs out/ is forfeited and new one is not created/ granted.
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    • I understand what you mean. But consider that part of the problem, and the frustration of those trying to help, is the way that questions are asked without context and without straight facts. A lot of effort was wasted discussing as a consumer issue before it was mentioned that the property was BTL. I don't think we have your history with this property. Were you the freehold owner prior to this split? Did you buy the leasehold of one half? From a family member? How was that funded (earlier loan?). How long ago was it split? Have either of the leasehold halves changed hands since? I'm wondering if the split and the leashold/freehold arrangements were set up in a way that was OK when everyone was everyone was connected. But a way that makes the leasehold virtually unsaleable to an unrelated party.
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How's your claim going James31 - you've been a bit quiet lately! Hope everything is going well:)

[FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]29.1.07 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]17.2.07 - Preliminary letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]5.3.07 - LBA sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]28.3.07 - N1 filed at Worcester CC![/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]1.7.07 - AQ filed at Worcester CC[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]6.9.07 - Court Date!!![/COLOR][/FONT]

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Here I am, and need a bit of help. I am on the verge of preparing the N1 form.

 

Today I received a letter from Abbey offering £2,353 (which is approx 25% of my claim amount).

 

It says; "Your account will be updated within the next 10 working days".

 

As I am currently on a debt management plan with CCCS, I think there ought to be a good cause for telling them I will accept that as a partial payment, but would like it as a cheque so it can be spread evenly between my creditors.

 

If it goes into my account (which is overdrawn by around 10k), then it will all be swallowed by Abbey and I have no means of sharing it to the others as my account is frozen.

 

Curiously, I had another letter from them today asking me to repay my overdraft in full. Two weeks ago, they wrote to me telling me to return my card and chequebook so that they could freeze interest and charges because I was on a debt management plan (I pay £504 a month to CCCS, of which £77 goes to Abbey).

 

So, I'm confused! My instinct is to call them and ask if the £2,353 partial payment can be paid by cheque, followed by a letter backing it up and making clear it is being accepted as partial payment only and that I will pursue for the full amount.

 

Does anyone have any helpful advice for me?

 

James

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i have just started the ball rolling,got 12 months of statments that add up to 1700 quid! how long do i legally wait as they have complyed in part? what is the REAL pipe line time for the remainder to turn up?, i am heavily overdrawn now,will they take overdraft away and leave me skint? cant wait for the fight to be over. would love to send a letter along the lines of, you know you are wrong,you know you wont win,just pay me the money and save us all a headace with felling trees for paperwork!

good luck all

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Just spent 20 mins on the phone to the number on the letter containing the GOGW. Go nowhere, they said the account is with debt management so I must talk to them, and that they can't raise a cheque unless it was authorised by debt management.

 

Given that I am on a payment plan with CCCS and this GOGW must be spread pro-rata with my other creditors, I will contact debt management later.

 

I'm not accepting the GOGW, only as a partial payment to my claim which I'll take off the outstanding total. I need to get hold of them sooner rather than later though as I suspect it will be more difficult to get the money back out of the account as a cheque than it is to get a cheque before the payment goes in. (It hasn't gone in yet - they told me today).

 

Grrrrrrrr.

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Hi James

 

Really you need to send them the rejection of settlement letter from the library and not worry about cccs just yet.

 

That will come when you get the FULL settlement, and when you are in negotiation in a strong position you can ask for cheque so it can be distributed amongst your creditors.

 

I'll search out the right letter for you but dont bnk on the GOGW arriving just yet.

 

BAck in a mo

 

Karne

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Well, they've got me by the short and curlies.

 

I'm in a DMP with CCCS. Abbey are closing my account which is 10k overdrawn. Had a GOGW offer of £2.3k (being put into my account) on the same day that they requested I repay my overdraft immidiately and in full. My original claim was for just over 9k.

 

I've tried to tell them that I want a cheque for this so I can distribute pro-rata to all of my creditors (and accept as partial settlement only) but they say it has to go back into my account. I said it broke the terms of my CCCS plan, to have a windfall and to not share it to the others, but she said it wasn't breaking anything and as it came out of the account, it had to go back in the account. I paused for thought, and she put the phone down on me.

 

If I continue and spend the court money to proceed, they are likely to just take the lot when I win, and also put the court costs back into my account along with the remaining proceeds of the claim.

 

So I'm going to lose out whichever way I go. Granted, I won't owe Abbey money any longer, but in the short term I'll just lose money instead of gaining any. :(

 

A very sad James.

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I have prepared the refusal letter and also included into it that I wish to be paid by cheque so as to be able to pay my other creditors pro-rata.

 

I've also contacted the financial ombudsman to ask whether abbey are ok to ignore my requests and dictate the payment method.

 

Also, wanted to get clarification on Abbey closing my account; they told me on the phone that the reason my o/d is due to now be repaid in full is because the account is being closed, which was news to me.

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Sorry to keep ranting on, nobody loves me and replies but it's company none the less!

 

I have modified the refusal letter slightly...

 

 

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Thank you for your letter dated 17th April 2007.

 

I respectfully decline your offer of settlement and request, one final time, that you return to me all charges imposed on this account, totalling £9,881.00

 

In order to avoid litigation against you, I am prepared to temporarily accept the sum offered as partial settlement on the clear understanding that both the amount offered and the remainder is paid to me by cheque within the next 10 days and not into my account. Failure to comply with this request will result in legal action against you for full recovery, as detailed in my Letter Before Action.

I have entered into a formal payment plan with my creditors at present and any windfall must therefore be sent pro-rata to each party. Hence, payment in any form other than a cheque is unacceptable in this case.

 

Taking into account the time and effort involved with formal proceedings by both parties, I would as an alternative to all of the above, accept a cheque as full and final settlement at this stage for 75% of the amount owing, that being £7,410.75.

Failure to accept any of these options will result in me proceeding to litigation stage for the full claim of £9,881.00 plus interest at 8%, plus charges.

For the avoidance of doubt, I wish to stress that I do not accept your offer under the terms stated in your letter.

 

I trust this clarifies my position.

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If anyone has any opinions on this, I would be glad to hear them....

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Let them close the account, have another account ready then claim. Then they have no option but to send you a cheque because your account with them is closed, Job Done!

 

Doh, they won't let you close it until the overdraft is paid though will they? Silly me!

:DABBEY-WON! £1,359.34

:confused:CAPITAL ONE WON £1,523.27+£39court fees.

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At least if you claim, it will repay some of the amount outstanding, so although you wont actually see the cash, it will make a dent in your debt, and at least its a moral victory over Abbey.

 

Its only small consolation, but why should Abbey have any money that is RIGHTFULLY yours?

 

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Just wanted to offer you some support too James31. Keep going, don't give up. Even if you don't get to share the payment among your creditors, it will just about pay your overdraft off and then you can say a big GOODBYE to Abbey and put this behind you. Whichever way you look at it, £9000 is a hell of a lot of money and it would probably take you years to pay off your overdraft if you didn't claim your charges back. There are probably thousands of others in a similar situation to you who haven't got the guts to take their bank to court like you and will be paying back similar overdrafts for ever! You should be proud of yourself for coming this far - just focus on the fact that in the end you WILL be debt free eventually and what a great feeling that will be!! I wish you the best of luck - keep fighting.

[FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]29.1.07 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]17.2.07 - Preliminary letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]5.3.07 - LBA sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]28.3.07 - N1 filed at Worcester CC![/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]1.7.07 - AQ filed at Worcester CC[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]6.9.07 - Court Date!!![/COLOR][/FONT]

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The letter looks fine, but if I were you I wouldn't settle for anything less than 100% - after all it is your money. All the best!

[FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]29.1.07 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]17.2.07 - Preliminary letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]5.3.07 - LBA sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]28.3.07 - N1 filed at Worcester CC![/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]1.7.07 - AQ filed at Worcester CC[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]6.9.07 - Court Date!!![/COLOR][/FONT]

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You haven't posted for a while James - hope everything is going ok for you!

[FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]29.1.07 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=darkorchid]17.2.07 - Preliminary letter sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]5.3.07 - LBA sent to Abbey[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]28.3.07 - N1 filed at Worcester CC![/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]1.7.07 - AQ filed at Worcester CC[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=System][COLOR=#9932cc]6.9.07 - Court Date!!![/COLOR][/FONT]

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hello mate,

 

it's been a while:)

 

We're all in the same boat at the moment, nothing to do but wait I'm afraid.

 

Hopefully some good news soon.

 

regards

 

louis

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A bit of news...

 

I had a couple of requests for repayment (circa 8k) send from Robinson Way debt collectors. Seeing as the OFT case and appeal is ongoing, I ignored it.

 

Yesterday, I received a CCJ form from Northampton bulk center with Robinson Way as the claimant. The are claiming just over 8k relating to the overdraft, plus 121 days of interest (the point at which they took it over, I guess) at 8%, plus solicitors fees and court costs.

 

As far as I was concerned, the account is in dispute and the only reason I've done nothing of late was due to the ongoing OFT case.

 

I guess I now defend the claim, citing that the account is in dispute? I'm not sure what to do.

 

Remember that from my claim of unfair charges made in 2007, Abbey paid £2.3k of it without court action, which I accepted as part payment for my full 9k claim.

 

Any advice would be great!

 

James

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Hi there

 

I had a £300 preferred in credit overdraft facility on my current account.

 

I only went over by £8 pounds last year.

 

Since losing my job in December and now I have one.

 

Abbey refused to waive the fee and it has now been charging me and taking my overdraft away from me to the tune of £458.

 

I rang them to discuss this with their collection dept.

 

They told me that I need to pay £15 per week, or be defaulted.

 

Please help...

 

Hi there

 

I had a £300 preferred in credit overdraft facility on my current account.

 

I only went over by £8 pounds last year.

 

Since losing my job in December and now I have one.

 

Abbey refused to waive the fee and it has now been charging me and taking my overdraft away from me to the tune of £458.

 

I rang them to discuss this with their collection dept.

 

They told me that I need to pay £15 per week, or be defaulted.

 

Please help...

 

Hi there

 

I had a £300 preferred in credit overdraft facility on my current account.

 

I only went over by £8 pounds last year.

 

Since losing my job in December and now I have one.

 

Abbey refused to waive the fee and it has now been charging me and taking my overdraft away from me to the tune of £458.

 

I rang them to discuss this with their collection dept.

 

They told me that I need to pay £15 per week, or be defaulted.

 

Please help...

 

Hi there

 

I had a £300 preferred in credit overdraft facility on my current account.

 

I only went over by £8 pounds last year.

 

Since losing my job in December and now I have one.

 

Abbey refused to waive the fee and it has now been charging me and taking my overdraft away from me to the tune of £458.

 

I rang them to discuss this with their collection dept.

 

They told me that I need to pay £15 per week, or be defaulted.

 

Please help...

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