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Hello I received a citation for an old credit card debt and was wondering if any one knew how to get the date extended so I have time to make up a defence if this is possible? I'm in Scotland

Many thanks

Tom

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It would help if you provide date and more details, like when did you last make a payment and things like that. Some history for the debt would help to advise you better...

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no. in simple terms.

 

there were a few agreements that used to fall into this.

 

read the thread multiple agreements.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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If the account was opened pre april 2007, yes. After, all they need is a reconstituted agreement that complies with regulation.

 

Post 2007 it all depends on the judge in court whether he accepts if it is valid or not though.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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I received a statement of account from a dca in

March and they have the original creditor and account number as the company that purchased the card in 2011 and the there's no word of the original creditor I still have the original card from Nov 2006

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urm..you look at your agreement p'haps?

but its very rare on a credit card as the PPI is specifically monthly not a lump sum at the start.

 

 

so whats your issue with the credit card?

cant pay it or after reclaiming the PPI

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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tell us about the debt rather than starting random threads with random questions.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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it this to do with your other thread too same debt?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you don't need too

tell us about the debt

is this a simple procedure claim or a ordinary Cause claim

is this about this credit card you are asking about elsewhere

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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are all your threads to do with the Scottish claim you have please

nothing wrong with the statements.

the debt has been sold

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Dx (very reasonably) noted:

tell us about the debt rather than starting random threads with random questions.

 

Shortly after, the OP asks

 

So what would your thoughts be on the statement info?

 

What about the statement info?. Thoughts on what aspect of it?.

 

dx has asked for relevant background, and instead of giving the background, you are asking a question so vague as to be pretty pointless.

If you want help, help people to help you.

 

You seem to have 3 threads running, all started today. Are they all about the same alleged debt?

This thread,

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?479222-Ppi-missold-makes-credit-card-debt-unenforceable&p=5041846#post5041846

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?479219-Looking-for-Help-with-citation-for-credit-card-debt&p=5041826#post5041826

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we don't know weve not seen it!!

 

whats false about it??

 

is this to do with your Scottish citation?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The statement gives false information does it not?

 

Definitely, if they haven't been sold the debt, but then claim they own it rather than acting for the creditor.

Possibly, if they have been sold the debt, but haven't followed the correct process.

No, if they have been sold the debt and have followed the correct process.

 

Not the world's most useful answer, I grant you, but it is correct. It'd be more use if you stopped posting one line questions devoid of context, and started to to help people help you.....

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no ALL issues with a debt should be under ONE THREAD

so are ALL your threads to do with the fact you've received a Scottish claim on the card

and you are looking for ways to defend it?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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If you care to look at my previous post above they have listed the company that purchased the debt in 2011 as the original creditor and account number this comment was to dx100

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