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Steady on, that’s almost as blunt as my response I’m just not sure the OP is going to get the answer / “nuanced response” it seems they were hoping for …….. -
By occysrazor · Posted
My mind is a blur so i cant recall exactly what the judge said at the end, but he mentioned that he would be making an order for Evri to make payment to me. I wasn't sure if the court order will also be provided to me, either by post or email - if anyone can shed some light please? -
Agree with everyone here it's bang to rights. Looks like you just slightly jinked left in order to go right. Ultimately, your time saving attempt is going to cost you as I don't think you have any grounds to appeal. I'd just pay the charge and chalk it up to experience. -
By occysrazor · Posted
Thank you everyone! thought to share some points from my experience in court today that may help others who are taking Evri to court: The judge sets out how the hearing will go and how each party should behave; while i was certainly feeling anxious/nervous ahead of the hearing (and I'm sure @jk2054 may have also observed this), the judge really does try to put any non-legal persons at ease; refrain from talking to the other party and instead speak to the judge if you have any questions/responses; the judge and the advocate spoke about tort of negligence - i wasn't sure how this applied to my case but the judge was questionning the advocate about this so i chose to stay out of this; the judge made reference to a historical case of Donaghue v Stevenson which established a duty of care; the judge observed that some of the points in Evri's witness statement by george wood needed cross examination but george was not present today for questionning; While i was claiming 8% interest, the judge pointed out that is the upper limit and that today, savings accounts give 4-5%. I therefore opted for 5% interest which was agreed to by the judge and the advocate; above all else, ensure you know your court bundle and have any notes to help you refer to specific sections - it helped me to structure my answers to the judge/defendant's queries, and point to specific evidence where i was asked to prove e.g., the value of the item. @honeybee13 - yes, will confirm when payment is received. I have emailed the Evri.claims email with my bank details and also provided them after the hearing to the advocate. @BankFodder message received and i am replying to it -
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