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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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So on Friday night I picked up another PCN from UKCPS. I parked in a disabled bay as one of my passengers is disabled and holds a valid badge, so you can imagine my confusion when we returned to the car a few hours later to find an NTD on the windscreen. As it transpires, the badge must have slid off the dasboard when I closed the car door as I found it face up on the passenger seat, but still clearly visible if anyone had taken the time to check.

 

I'm aware that since the last time I challenged and beat UKCPS, they've jumped ship from the BPA to the IPC (probably fed up of being thumped six ways from Sunday by POPLA and losing money hand over fist) so I'm curious to see how this one plays out with IPC and IAS (if it gets that far).

 

I know that disabled bays are legally nothing more than nicely painted bits of tarmac but am I right in thinking that the Disability Equality act will blow any claim for damages cleanly out of the water?

 

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Disabled badge's have no legal relevance on private land. Don't bother about disability act. Just focus on gpeol. Ukcps are the laughing stock of parking companies and ALWAYS mess up big time.

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That would be my plan of attack normally, however I've heard that IAS don't allow appeals based on GPEOL, since as far as they're concerned, their poorly disguised penalty charges are justified. Hence my desire to have a backup argument prepared.

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Doesnt matter. If they are stupid enough to even consider legal action, you have a cast iron defence, and could ask the court for costs too. I see what you mean though. get them on pretty much everything you can.

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get them on pretty much everything you can.

 

Oh I will, don't worry about that :)

 

I really only posted this thread for information sharing purposes. There's tons of info on here and other websites regarding BPA and POPLA (template appeals, copies of adjudicator rulings etc) but comparatively little information about how to deal with IPC and the IAS, so it's my plan to try and get some insight into how they operate.

 

Watch this space, I'll update further when the NTK arrives.

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IPC and all that jazz are maintained by the PPC's, so they think they are untouchable. Thats why POPLA was started, then once PPC's realised the public were on to their little money making scheme, the worst ones jumped ship.

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That would be my plan of attack normally, however I've heard that IAS don't allow appeals based on GPEOL, since as far as they're concerned, their poorly disguised penalty charges are justified. Hence my desire to have a backup argument prepared.

 

 

It all depends on the wording of the signage and the NTK that you should be waiting for...

 

PPCs struggle to word anything correctly and IPC members go down the contractual charge route... or think they do.

 

Post up a picture of the signage so we can have a look.

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The latest piece of waste paper has arrived from UKCPS. See attached.

 

Some interesting points of note;

 

Both BPA and IPC logos present, yet UKCPS are now only members of the latter.

 

Payments received which are not accompanied by the PCN number and vehicle registration number will be cashed but the creditor will be unable to allocate the payment to the correct PCN. The parking charge notice will therefore remain unpaid and enforcement action will be taken.

 

How understanding of them, so if someone sends them a cheque for £100 but forgets to include the PCN number, they cash it anyway and continue to chase you for more money. What lovely lovely people.

 

Appeals

At the time that the charge was incurred, a Notice to Driver was affixed to the vehicle. This offered the driver the ability to apeal within 21 days from its imposition. This opportunity has now lapsed and we regret the ability to appeal against this charge is no longer available.

 

Oh dear, so as the keeper who wasn't driving on the day, this could potentially be the first you'll hear about the issue, yet they won't accept your appeal. However..

 

If you consider there to be exceptional circumstances as to why you should be allowed to appeal outside of this period then you should send your reasons to us, in writing, at the above address.

 

Why I think I might just do that. How nice of them, how philanthropic...

 

-ADVICE NOTE-

This is a parking charge and not a penalty or fine.

 

Yeah, right, whatever you say.

 

The car-park operator has agreed to keep to a code of practice, which states that the parking charge issued cannot be unreasonable or used as a penalty.

 

Well, that sounds just dandy doesn't it? A £100 charge for parking in a free car park can't be unreasonable, just because they said so, or something....

 

I've just drafted up my challenge, for a bit of a giggle I've included the following at the end;

 

By continuing to pursue me you are entering into a contractual agreement whereby you agree to pay me £500 (reduced to £200 if paid within 14 days) when I prevail.

 

Appeal will be sent with proof of postage this afternoon. On my previous run-in with UKCPS (back when they were with the BPA) they folded like a deck of cards at my first appeal. Somehow I don't think they'll be quite as willing to back down this time.

 

Game on.

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One other thing I just noticed upon re-reading the form.

 

No mention of POFA 2012 at all. The only thing which hints at it is;

 

Please be warned: that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the Notice is given (i) the amount of the unpaid PArking Charge specified in this Notice has not been paid in full, and (ii) we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, we have the right to recover from you, so much of that Parking Charge as remains unpaid.

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they are trying to imply that the keepr was the driver and any acknowledgement or appeal is in their minds an admission of that. The IPC doesnt ask its members to follow the protocols and appears to discourage it so you dont have to take any notice of them other than to have a paper trail that shows that you have done your bit and they havent.

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Quick update. UKCPS have rejected my appeal (surprise surprise). They appear to have grown a pair of balls since jumping ship from the BPA for the IPC.

 

I'll be appealing to the IAS but I'm not holding out much hope, since it's fairly doubtful just how "independent" they really are. The NTK is non-compliant with PoFA anyway since it does not contain any photographic evidence of the alleged infraction, or any links to allow you to view any such evidence. Therefore if they did decide to take it to court they would need to identify the driver first. That said, they've stated that they're working on the assumption that the RK was the driver. I'd love to see that assumption stand up in court.

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They grew a pair, because they think they are untouchable since the IPC doesnt really care. Only the really REALLY inept and shady PPC's go with them. The ones who want to try and maintain somewhat of a decent outlook go with the BPA

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The IAS of the IPC will tell them they are right and that you should pay up because they said so. As you say, not compliant with PoFA but go through the motions anyway to get the paper trail and see if they want to take the matter further.

I will say one thing though, not one of these companies has started legal action when they have been vindicated by the IAS when their determination is at odds with the law or protocols of PoFA. The parking co's are happy to let Gladstones solicitors (IAS in their evening wear) send out a threatogram or two but it has never gone further than that when they have received a rebuttal so it appears that they do know the law but hope you dont.

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IAS appeal rejected, surprise surprise.

 

My appeal was based on GPEOL, Non compliance with POFA, plus the fact that one of the passengers on the night in question is registered disabled. They've basically responded to each point saying "we don't really care". Apparently I was supposed to upload a copy of my NTK to prove that it was non-compliant with POFA (rather than for UKCPS to prove that it was), and to provide a copy of my passenger's disabled badge. Of course they don't tell you that until after they've dismissed your appeal.

 

In UKCPS's evidence pack, they did include the contract between themselves and the landowner, which may be of some interest to some people. However I had to tick a box on their website promising not to share it with anyone else, which is a bit of a shame.

 

I'll wait for UKCPS to write to me again and I'll send them a brief letter telling them in no uncertain terms to F-off, and to take me to court if they want their money.

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they did include the contract between themselves and the landowner, which may be of some interest to some people. However I had to tick a box on their website promising not to share it with anyone else

 

More proof they are nothing more than con artists.

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I'd share it anyway. What are they going to do to you if you ignore their tickbox? It's not like you owe them a duty that would stop you sharing it.

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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Interesting. Interesting indeed.

 

I especially liked this part "Authorisation is given subject to UKCPS Ltd acting at all times within the guidelines as set out by the DVLA"

 

As the DVLA and AoS guidelines state that they must act within the confines of POFA 2012..... oops.gif

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In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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Update!

 

Nearly 8 full weeks after my IAS appeal was rejected, UKCPS have gotten back in touch. I was beginning to think they'd forgotten.

 

It looks like they're skipping the nasty DCA letters altogether and have gone straight in with a 10 day notice before legal action letter. They have also added on £25 to the amount owing (now £125) without stating what this additional fee is for. I have a feeling that'd go against them if it ever went to court.

 

I highly doubt it'll ever go near a court but I'll start getting my evidence together just in case.

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Oh, it will certainly go against them but if the lba is properly written it is always worth creating a paper trail so i would be responding in the way already hinted at earlier.

That you demand "strict proof" of a contract between yourselves and the landowner that assigns the right to make leagal claims in your own name as your contract appears to be witha party that does not have any authority to make such an assignment.

That the demand is not complaine with the protocols of the PoFA and so you as the registered keeper of the vehicle are not liable for any charge.

That the amount claimed is an unlawful penalty.

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