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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. 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    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Offences under Schedule 12 of the Tribunal, Courts & Enforcement Act (TCA) 2007

 

Under section 68 of this schedule, the legislation is clear regarding the actions that constitute and offence during the process of enforcement:

 

A person is guilty of an offence if he intentionally obstructs a person lawfully acting as an enforcement agent.

 

A person guilty of an offence under this paragraph is liable on summary conviction to-

 

Imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks, or a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale, or Both.

 

In relation to an offence committed before the commencement of section 281(5) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (c. 44), the reference in sub-paragraph (3)(a) to 51 weeks is to be read as a reference to 6 months.

 

 

Doesn't that in extremis mean the EA/bailiff can cry to the police that refusal of entry at the door for that CCJ or council tax is willful obstruction? even though they have no right of entry in reality if the debtor doesn't want to let them in.

 

That part looks as if it was intended to be used in conjunction with the removed part that would have allowed a bailiff to use force against the debtor, and was designed to catch a debtor who resisted the force, with force of his own.

 

No, as the EA wouldn't be acting lawfully trying to force entry. The sensible thing for the debtor is to keep the door locked and speak either outside with door locked, or via a window. The EA has no lawful right to barge past someone in a doorway in order to gain entry.

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No, as the EA wouldn't be acting lawfully trying to force entry. The sensible thing for the debtor is to keep the door locked and speak either outside with door locked, or via a window. The EA has no lawful right to barge past someone in a doorway in order to gain entry.

 

You are correct Coughdrop, any doubt don't open the door.

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Doesn't that in extremis mean the EA/bailiff can cry to the police that refusal of entry at the door for that CCJ or council tax is willful obstruction? even though they have no right of entry in reality if the debtor doesn't want to let them in.

 

That part looks as if it was intended to be used in conjunction with the removed part that would have allowed a bailiff to use force against the debtor, and was designed to catch a debtor who resisted the force, with force of his own.

 

It shouldn't do since the Taking Control of Goods Act-national Standards -see the last line

20. Enforcement agents must not be deceitful by misrepresenting their powers, qualifications, capacities, experience or abilities, including, but not restricted to;

 Falsely implying or stating that action can or will be taken when legally it cannot be taken by that agent

 Falsely implying or stating that a particular course of action will ensue before it is possible to know whether such action would be permissible

 Falsely implying or stating that action has been taken when it has not

 Falsely implying or stating that a debtor refusing entry to a property is classed as an offence.

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Thanks Lookedinforinfo looks like the checks and balances are properly in place, but bailiffs are known for crying wolf.

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Simple. Most police officers have no knowledge of what bailiffs can and cannot do. The Bailiffs know this so abuse it any chance they get.

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Brassnecked it rathere begs the question though of why when bailiffs get the Ploice to talk people into letting them into their property why

no action for two possible offences against the bailiff appears to follow.

Because the police think the bailiff is one of "theirs" or think the bailiff might be at risy? or that the debtor would be obstructing the bailiiff in spite of the section you highlighted

 

Falsely implying or stating that a debtor refusing entry to a property is classed as an offence.

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I used to work for the post-production company who edited this series of the program.

My job was to review the assets for tech faults as opposed to factual QC.

 

However,

from my memories from this episode,

also available on channel 5 iplayer,

at the end of the day he lost this case fair and square at the county court

because he failed to pay a freelancer/contractor her wages which she was entitled to without question.

 

When approached by Paul Bohill and his colleague his exact words were.

'No, no she's not getting a penny out of me!'

 

 

The bailiffs then advised him calmly and clearly without the use of physical force

that they had a high court writ to enter the property to seize goods to cover the debt,

he insisted he would not allow them into the property.

 

 

Mr Bohill calmly restrained him and used fair physical force to enter the property

by simply using bodyweight and nothing more.

He continuously reassured this man to take it easy and that they were legally obliged to enter.

 

 

He told the bailiffs that he was calling the police to report use of physcial result,

however as the bailiffs had a camera on their chests to clear them of any wrong doing,

i.e.: did not punch, kick, aggressively shove him or verbally abuse him by calling him names and mocking his situation,

they were not threatened by MW's accusations.

 

 

MW then continuously demanded they do not take anything from the flat,

but failed to make an offer which would satisfy his high court writ.

 

 

He then called a friend and asked him to confirm all goods in the flat were not his and belonged to someone else.

MW then reluctantly agreed to an instalment plan.

At the end of the episode it was announced that MW failed to make his first instalment.

 

 

As opposed to giving up the case,

the lady who was owed the money allowed the bailiffs to file a bankruptcy petition against him

in a bid for her to retrieve her money.

 

In terms of whether Paul Bohill did anything wrong, no he didnt. Nor did his partner.

They have a camera to prove their innocence and even if MW had called the police

it would have gone against him and would've felt more pressure to pay the balance.

 

 

I'm assuming he has either been declared bankrupt by now or has paid the balance.

If he's managed to delay payment further the balance is likely to rise even further and he will just make it worse for himself.

 

I would like to clarify having worked on this episode as I work in TV

and the company I was employed by edited the program

that Mr Bohill did not impose himself as a police officer or special constable.

 

The writ he showed him allowed him with permission of and as an employee of the high court

to use forced entry to claim goods worthy of the debt should the owner not be able to or want to pay,

not to enter his property for pleasure or any other matter.

 

 

MW chose not to read the writ and tried to delay the bailiffs by not doing so.

The only time they are not allowed to force their way in is when its a form of rental agreement,

I.e.: Finance on a Car that someone didnt keep up with,

they can repossess the car but can't enter the property to claim something of equal value.

 

The allegation that Bohill said 'hit me I dare you!' or anything similar

has been taken out of context by MW on this thread.

 

 

When Bohill used physical force to enter the property he only used bodyweight

and remained civil with him asking him to 'take it easy.'

 

 

MW then threatened to call the police telling them he had hit Mr Bohill.

Bohill misunderstood this in the heat of the moment

and took MW's words as threat that he would hit Bohill in a bid to get him off the property

and responded 'go on then hit me!'

 

 

Had he done so Bohill would use the police presence to have MW arrested

and carry out the writ without his presence.

 

 

Anyone claiming the goods did not belong to MW wouldve made their journey to the High Court within 2 weeks

to reclaim the goods or have them returned,

 

 

it takes around a fortnight for them to auction goods off and for the record upto an hour for the collection van to arrive.

 

 

Bohill did not use the term 'hit me' as a bid to intimidate MW,

it was self defence in response to MW's behaviour and innuendo that Bohill had attempted to hit him.

 

If I remember correctly this was Series 2 or Series 3 of the show,

S3 is still available on Channel 5 iplayer.

 

 

You might catch S2 on the channel Spike TV.

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You really don't get it do you. This is nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of the case. A writ was issued, we know that.

 

The real issue was that neither Bohill or Pinner knew the law. This is because before this they had no real experience in this type of work, despite their and DCBL's false claims that they did.

 

A writ of fi fa or control DOES NOT give an enforcement agent a right to push their way into a residential premises. It grants a right to obtain peaceable entry. It is clear that Bohill over stepped the mark and this was for everybody to see on TV! What do they do when the cameras are not there!!? They were even stupid enough to quote the law incorrectly in their peace to camera afterwards. Laughable.

 

You state "Mr Bohill calmly restrained him and used fair physical force to enter the property by simply using bodyweight and nothing more.". That is completely illegal. But Channel 5 don't care as it makes for interesting TV.

 

And you're probably unaware but DCBL's questionable transfer up process and Bohill's big mouth have been the cause of significant changes to the way writs of repossession are issued which is now at the detriment to landlords and the enforcement industry.

 

This is the problem when a 'tabloid' TV channel gives people who don't really know what they're doing air time.

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Fair comment HCEOs Bohill and crew have done reputable and fair EA's a power of no good

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At least Mr Bohill's company are out of the equation now they have been struck off.
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Bohill was originally part to High Court Collections Ltd which went apparently went bust owing people money.

 

He was then linked to High Court Solutions Ltd before leaving there and moving to DCBL.

 

Rumours have it that he's a discharged bankrupt. If true, he shouldn't really have a certificate to act as an Enforcement Agent.

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You really don't get it do you. This is nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of the case. A writ was issued, we know that.

 

The real issue was that neither Bohill or Pinner knew the law. This is because before this they had no real experience in this type of work, despite their and DCBL's false claims that they did.

 

A writ of fi fa or control DOES NOT give an enforcement agent a right to push their way into a residential premises. It grants a right to obtain peaceable entry. It is clear that Bohill over stepped the mark and this was for everybody to see on TV! What do they do when the cameras are not there!!? They were even stupid enough to quote the law incorrectly in their peace to camera afterwards. Laughable.

 

You state "Mr Bohill calmly restrained him and used fair physical force to enter the property by simply using bodyweight and nothing more.". That is completely illegal. But Channel 5 don't care as it makes for interesting TV.

 

And you're probably unaware but DCBL's questionable transfer up process and Bohill's big mouth have been the cause of significant changes to the way writs of repossession are issued which is now at the detriment to landlords and the enforcement industry.

 

This is the problem when a 'tabloid' TV channel gives people who don't really know what they're doing air time.

 

I am glad you have confirmed what I have highlighted in blue, HCEOs.

This has been my understanding for sometime.

 

As for the bit I have highlighted in red,

I am currently working on a case where a certain High Court enforcement operator used a Writ No. 66 for a mortgage repossession and the transfer paperwork is equally suspect.

 

Another repossession making use of a Writ No. 66 appeared on the internet last week.

 

Solicitors and creditors need to ensure their High Court enforcement agents are acting within the law because, as sure as eggs are eggs, it is, sooner or later, going to come back and hit them in the face and I can see those involved being stripped of their EA certificates or AHCEO status, as well as writs for damages being issued against creditors, law firms and others involved in repossessions.

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Bohill was originally part to High Court Collections Ltd which went apparently went bust owing people money.

 

He was then linked to High Court Solutions Ltd before leaving there and moving to DCBL.

 

Rumours have it that he's a discharged bankrupt. If true, he shouldn't really have a certificate to act as an Enforcement Agent.

 

The way Bohill behaves, he should not be granted an EA certificate full-stop. I have my doubts about Pinner's competence, especially in the episode of "Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away" when they were told by the creditor they had made a mistake and were harassing the wrong person. That didn't stop Pinner carrying on regardless and taking away the innocent party's taxi. As a result of that act of idiocy, the creditor was landed with a bill of around £1900 - £2000 in compensation and legal costs in the innocent party's favour.

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My understanding it is that a certain newish HCEO company initially started offering 7 day evictions a couple of years ago by not using Section 42 of the County Court Act 1984 to obtain leave from the County Court and much more recently started using Section 41 of the same Act which the Senior Master was forced to issue Guidance Notes on that it cannot be used. It is these very issues that damage the industry as a whole.

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Having seen some programmes showing tenants being evicted with an hour's notice - I am appalled. No matter what the circumstances which led to eviction proceedings no-one should be given a shock like that - it's barbaric !

at the very least a notice should be served giving 24 hours to leave - at least they could make some sort of arrangement for a place to stay/store personal items.

 

 

Admittedly some tenants are a nightmare and landlords understandably want their properties back, but for the majority they have been unable to pay for understandable reasons and the distress caused by these "people" turning up on their doorstep - usually very early in the morning - and telling them they have 1 hour to get out just shouldn't be allowed.

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Because the police think the bailiff is one of "theirs" or think the bailiff might be at risy? or that the debtor would be obstructing the bailiiff in spite of the section you highlighted

 

Falsely implying or stating that a debtor refusing entry to a property is classed as an offence.

 

I know what you mean, BN. I have had people contact me about the police threatening to arrest alleged debtors if they don't let the bailiff in , allegedly, for "obstructing the Enforcement Agent". There have also been cases of EAs claiming to be HCEOs in order to get the police to help them.

 

One thing I will say and I hope any EAs who are monitoring CAG make a careful note of this, but making a false report to the police is an offence at law. The likely offences, depending on the nature of the call, would be one of more of the following:-

 

  1. Wasting Police Time
  2. Misuse of A Public Electronic Telecommunications System
  3. Perverting the Course of Justice

 

It is also becoming evident that frontline police officers are getting fed up of having their time wasted by EAs who are employing questionable methods of carrying out their duties.

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Having seen some programmes showing tenants being evicted with an hour's notice - I am appalled. No matter what the circumstances which let to eviction proceedings no-one should be given a shock like that - it's barbaric !

at the very least a notice should be served giving 24 hours to leave - at least they could make some sort of arrangement for a place to stay/store personal items.

 

 

Admittedly some tenants are a nightmare and landlords understandably want their properties back, but for the majority they have been unable to pay for understandable reasons and the distress caused by these "people" turning up on their doorstep - usually very early in the morning - and telling them they have 1 hour to get out just shouldn't be allowed.

 

I wouldn't mind betting they were doing so using Writ No. 66, which Senior Master Fontaine at the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court issued a Practice Note about.

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Bohill was originally part to High Court Collections Ltd which went apparently went bust owing people money.

 

He was then linked to High Court Solutions Ltd before leaving there and moving to DCBL.

 

Rumours have it that he's a discharged bankrupt. If true, he shouldn't really have a certificate to act as an Enforcement Agent.

 

But he can get round that using Claire Sandbrook's authority at DCBL.

 

He needs to be taken away from enforcement, stacking shelves on a Work Placement for DWP is better suited to him.

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I wouldn't mind betting they were doing so using Writ No. 66, which Senior Master Fontaine at the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court issued a Practice Note about.

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When was that CD?

 

High Court Collections Limited has a proposal to strike off hanging over it. High Court Solutions Limited is lying as a dormant company, not currently trading.

 

I thought I'd seen somewhere that one of these had been struck off.

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It was the case of Birmingham City Council -v- Mondhlani [2015] that first brought the practice of using Writ No. 66 to evict people to the public's - and High Court's - attention and resulted in Senior Master Fontaine issuing the Practice Note. It is my understanding it has been necessary to issue further notice about the use of Writ No. 66 as it would appear the enforcement industry has developed convenient amnesia or selective hearing disorder. Some elements within the industry appear to be under the impression is is business as usual.

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