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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Just under six grand - the (edit) gits. Less the 750 'part-settlement' i enjoyed over xmas.

 

Its not til you see it all written down in front of you that you realise how bad it got. Some months there were nearly 400 quid in charges - ended up taking loans to pay back lloyds what was really legally mine.

 

You got a court date yet mate? Think we're around the same stage...

 

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Don't ask ive had a nightmare with this one. Firtly looked on MCOL before christmas and saw that my claim had been suspended, due to the fact that I had stupidly made a technical error and added the defendants name and tha claimants name as Llods TSB. This meant I had to re-file. I am still waiting to get the refund from MCOL but they wont give it to me at moment, so was actually thinking of filing a claim against them. But I think thats in hand now. Also because I had to re-file and because Lloyds had refunded me partial settlement of £750 like yourself before xmas, this meant i had to adjust my claim total and my POC before refiling. Just been one thing after another on this one and was determined not to make any mistakes on this one. But will now not ever use MCOL as all mistakes I have had with claims have been with this. Its N1's for me from now on, all the way.

 

6k that'll be nice when its paid up. :D

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:) Hudu,

 

My sentiments exactly, I had no idea how bad it had got as I was scared to open the bank statements each month and generally didn't. I was pumping money into my account and it was being swallowed up by charges which was putting me overdrawn again, I managed to break that cycle a year ago fortunately. I remember the robbing gits removing my overdraft without notification just after a payday which left me literally no money for a well earned three week break. They must know how much heartbreak and sorrow they have caused us all over the years.

 

Like yourself, my claim is a fraction under £6000 and I'm just waiting for my 15 mins of fame in court.

 

Good luck with your process.:)

19th Jan 2007 - WON - Lloyds £5946.22

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:) Hudu,

 

My sentiments exactly, I had no idea how bad it had got as I was scared to open the bank statements each month and generally didn't. I was pumping money into my account and it was being swallowed up by charges which was putting me overdrawn again, I managed to break that cycle a year ago fortunately. I remember the robbing gits removing my overdraft without notification just after a payday which left me literally no money for a well earned three week break. They must know how much heartbreak and sorrow they have caused us all over the years.

 

Like yourself, my claim is a fraction under £6000 and I'm just waiting for my 15 mins of fame in court.

 

Good luck with your process.:)

 

Well dont look forward to it too much as it will never happen, they will settle prior to this, and like I mentioned 6k is a tidy sum. Thats two people where I could come to for a loan in the future. lol :D

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Tanz...i very nearly did the same myself mate! Wasn't til i saw this today i spotted it!

 

Keep at it...it will be worth it as you know. :)

 

And to MyPhisto..what stage are you at? Couldn't find your thread. If you need any help and its a bit I've been through - just shout ok?

 

We'll sort Tanz's loan out in a couple of months i hope.

 

I am now officially in litigation - MCOL claim submitted today after 3 days of swotting up and reading. :cool:

13th Nov 2006 - Preliminary Letter delivered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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*off topic* Thankyou mystery mod. I shall be more careful in future. :)

 

Oops.

13th Nov 2006 - Preliminary Letter delivered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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Notice of Issue arrived today.

 

Will be deemed to be served on the 17th Jan 2007 giving the defendant til 31st January 2007.

 

Still nothing back under the SAR..time is running out on that - so at the moment my claim is still for 5 years worth of charges I can access.

13th Nov 2006 - Preliminary Letter delivered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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*off topic* Thankyou mystery mod. I shall be more careful in future. :)

 

Oops.

 

For your information you can find out which moderator has edited your post by checking the bottom of the post. In your case it was mjanet

 

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Thanks Blueskies. :)

 

Update time.

 

Acknowledgement of Service has been filed (18th Jan 2007)

 

Defendant now has 28 days to file a defence.

 

Am I now to prepare my court bundle? :confused:

13th Nov 2006 - Preliminary Letter delivered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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Hi

I wouldn't start printing it just yet, wait until you get a court date. I'd have a look at it though, and get yourself familiar with what it's about.

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Been doing a fair bit of that.

 

Just got back from a few days away and returned to a last minute response to my SAR. Very tatty and badly copied - and I swear they have shuffled it out of order like a pack of cards. :rolleyes:

 

Anyway...I shall be totting the extra charges from the 5-6 years ago period and Shall then write a letter to SCM asking politely that if they pay my claim that is at court stage now promptly I shall not chase them in a seperate claim for the extra year.

 

Maybe i am too nice. :)

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30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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Hmmmmmm

 

The year 2000-2001 I have 546.48 in charges. With interest for a court claim that is £793.93

I'm thinking seperate and fresh claim now. Could be a useful bargaining tool either way.

Any advice?

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30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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If it were me, I'd get it added to this claim. You can do this by making an application for an amendment on an N244 form. The perfect time for this would be to hand the application in with your AQ. This would cost you £35 though.

 

Starting a seperate claim now is not really an option. Your only supposed to have 1 claim running per account at any one time. If you don't want to make an application then your best bet is to wait untill this claim is settled and then start again.

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Thanks Gary.

 

Would that effect the claim in any other way than which track it is allocated to?

 

I did put in my LBA that I would pursue this extra year from Lloyds once I had a respnse from my SAR (which they dragged to the last day), so it should still look ok with the judge, should it get that far.

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30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

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Ahh, yes, now thats a good point. I've only just read back through and the claim just creeps under the 5k threshold doesn't it? If so, you may as well leave it now untill this ones finished with. To increase the value to over 5k would put you in fast track territory. The costs risks are minimal IMO - miniscule even - but best to have no risk at all I suppose.

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What would happen with the timescales though? Obviously if I hang on for 5 months say (not that it should be that long now, i hope) - then can i only claim back that amount less the 5 months that has since become outside the 6 year remit?

 

 

 

If you get what I mean? :confused:

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30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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Oh yes, another good point. All things considered then, I think what I'd do personally is make an application to amend, even if it means allocation to the fast track. Remember that for there to be any costs implications, you'd first have to get inside the court (v. unlikely), then lose (v. unlikely), then the judge would have to order costs against you. As a litigant in person against a multi national financial institution this is hard to envisage, even if it were to get to that point. Plus, the chances of the claim getting to court are greatly reduced in the first place by the fact that there's an avalibilty of disclosure in the fast track.

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Will consider that at the next juncture then...which is today - as Lloyds defence and the AQ have arrived. :)

13th Nov 2006 - Preliminary Letter delivered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Imminent house move has slowed me down of late...but it is back to the battle.

 

just a bit stumped as to this part of the AQ...

 

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Have you made any application(s) in this claim?

It is important for the court to know if you have already made any applications in the claim, what they are for and when they will be heard. The outcome of the applications may affect the case management directions the court gives.

Unless you know otherwise, there are no applications - TICK NO

What exactly is meant by 'applications'?

I need some jargon-busting help. :confused:

13th Nov 2006 - Preliminary Letter delivered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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Application for say Summary Judgement, to amend you claim etc. You should know if you have made any - do not be too concerned about it.

 

In case you are not aware, these links should be helpful when completing your AQ:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/11644-allocation-questionnaires-guide-completion.html

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/53570-new-strategy-allocation-questionaires.html

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Cheers guidoT, the bit I pasted in above is actually from Allocation Questionnaires - A guide to completion

 

...just wasn't sure what that specific term meant.

 

I've had a 750 pound payment from lloyds at an earlier stage, would that be considered an 'application?'

13th Nov 2006 - Preliminary Letter delivered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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Cheers my friend :)

 

I'm just going to nip off and watch KAZZAWs Watchdog appearance on my TV on demand, before i fill my head any more on AQs.

 

Back soon with more confused questions... ;)

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30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

Filed with MCOL online - Notice of issue from 17th Jan 2007.

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I could do with a bit of AQ advice if anyone can help me? :confused:

 

Firstly, right at the start of the form (N150 by the way), it asks 'Have you sent a copy of this form to the other party?' yes/no

 

Is it advised to send one and tick yes?

 

Secondly, Section C (Witnesses) - I have put my own name obviously, but it asks "witness to which facts'?.

 

What do i add in there?

 

And thirdly, Section F. (Directions) - Ihave ticked 'yes' for 'Have you attached a list of directions' ...but it then asks "If YES, have they been agreed with the other party?"

 

Do they need to be agreed? Or shall i just tick NO?

 

Quick response needed as I have to hand this in tomorrow at the court. Thanks in advance. :-)

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30th Nov 2006 - LBA - deliverered to branch

30th Nov 2006 - Standard 'we are looking into this letter'

15th Dec 2006 - SAR delivered to branch to demand six years statements (currently pursuing 5 years)

19th Dec 2006 -750 Pounds offered as settlement. Accepted as PART settlement 20th Dec 2006.

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