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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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The management company at this appartment block have invited the devil into bed with them

by bringing in Minerva Security to "manage" the car park.

 

Minerva were supposed to hand out tickets to anyone not displaying a badge,

but of course prefer the option of clamping instead,

because then they can extort £120 from their victims.

 

Minerva may well have authorisation from the management company to clamp vehicles parked

in the communal parts of the car park which fall under their technical ownership.

 

However all of the individual parking spaces in Whitehall Square are privately owned,

and unless the parking space owner has authorised Minerva,

they have no more right to clamp a vehicle in a private space,

that they would to clamp a car on a driveway.

 

If you have been a victim of this, post here for advice on how to claim your money back.

 

And for Minerva reading this,

Scottish Courts have declared wheel clamping to constitute "Extortion and Theft".

 

Trespassing on peoples private property and fitting clamps to vehicles to extract a ransom payment

to which you have absolutely no right is extortion

So sue me, the truth is always an absolute defence against defamation.

 

Wheel clamping has already been criminalised in every other part of the UK

and the Stormont government is currently in a consultation about wheel clamping

 

http://www.dojni.gov.uk/ford-launche...n-private-land

 

It will be a travesty if they do anything other than follow the Scottish model.

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There is another tack to follow and that is the landlord has to assign the rights by way of contract,

the management company do not have the authority so suing the managing co for any loss is the way to go.

 

When you sell your house you employ an estate ageny to manage the sale

but dont give them any rights to tell you who to sell it to or under what terms. It is the same here.

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IMHO, the management company have brought a legal storm upon themselves,

and will be sued for every penny that has have extorted from residents.

 

If any Whitehall Square victims are reading this, I would advise you to check the following thread:

 

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=66313247&posted=1#post66313247

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So distressed on Tuesday. It cost me £246 to release my car and the one in my sons parking space. My son did not receive his display permits until yesterday. Also he never gave Minerva any agreement to manage his space.

 

Is there anyway round this? I'm so so cross.

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Yes, there are a group of victims getting together to take a claim against Minerva Security and Whitehall Management for the return of all monies that were extorted. The first thing that you need to do is to report the crime of extortion to the police, follow the instructions in the thread linked above (post 3)Post a message on that thread, it is being used as the main point of contact. Note for the CAG management: This is a very serious issue and it is important that we keep all of the information for the victims of this injustice in one place on a single thread, so please accept my apologies for directing people to MSE, I hope you understand.

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Go after Whitehall management and ask them to show you a copy of the contract between yourselves and Whitehall that gives them permission to act on your behalf. I would be writing to thwem to demand the refunding of what you have paid and tell them that if it happens again you will be suing for trespass and harassment. They appointed the cowboys and think they had the right to, show them they are wrong.

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Go after Whitehall management and ask them to show you a copy of the contract between yourselves and Whitehall that gives them permission to act on your behalf. I would be writing to thwem to demand the refunding of what you have paid and tell them that if it happens again you will be suing for trespass and harassment. They appointed the cowboys and think they had the right to, show them they are wrong.

 

We will, I do not live at Whitehall and am not a victim of the ****** clampers, but I am helping to co-ordinate the fightback. We are currently trying to get a lease from a property owner that will show if the parking spaces are held freehold, or if there is any assignment of rights to the management company. Even if rights are assigned, I would be amazed if those rights include the right to clamp vehicles and demand a ransom payment.

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there will be a contract for managing the common areas but that cannot extend to parking spaces that are part of a lease. The developers wont have the right to do this as they cant tell you how to use your property other than by covenant and that will limit use to private and not commercial.

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Personally ( and rightly or wrongly ), I would not have paid to have the clamps removed. I would have taken an angle grinder to the clamp and let Minerva to sue me for criminal damage if they wished. That would open a whole can of worms legally speaking.

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Well let me pose a legal question, if somebody trespasses onto your driveway, and places something on your car, be that an advertising flyer, or a wheelclamp, can that something be treated as a gift, for you to do with as you please?

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That depends on the item and what capacity the person is visiting your residence in.

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A PPC placing any kind of wheel clamp is illegal anyway. If it was a genuine bailiff, then it would stand. Anyone else, nope.

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A PPC placing any kind of wheel clamp is illegal anyway. If it was a genuine bailiff, then it would stand. Anyone else, nope.

Unfortunately, wheel clamping has not been criminalised yet in N.Ireland. However, whilst wheel clamping may remain legal per se, entering somebody's driveway, or privately owned parking space in appartment complex, to fit a wheel clamp, constitutes illegal clamping.

 

There are no bailliffs in N. Ireland, any enforcement of judgements is carried out directly through the court, not any private company.

 

https://www.courtsni.gov.uk/en-GB/Services/EJO/EnforcementOrders/Pages/default.aspx

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With my, albeit, somewhat limited experience (and slightly jaded view) of NI, too many years ago to remember, it's a brave man that goes to wheel clamp someones motor, bailiff or not.

 

 

I know times have changed, and not that I'd condone such behaviour, but I'm sure a whisper in the right ear would result in someone having a wee word with said PPC and them never daring to be seen on site again ;)

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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DragonFly, I can only assume you have done one or more tours of NI in the past, but things have changed considerably, government traffic wardens and TV licence inspectors now operate everywhere, with the blessing of all the political parties, you would not recognise Belfast. You should come back, it will change your views, just ask anybody who has been to Belfast in the last 10 years.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28899153

 

It doesn't take any courage for a clamper from East Belast to enter the car park of a "gentrified" city centre appartment block, just off Sandy Row to fit a wheel clamp. The days of having a quiet word in the ear of the right person are long gone. Even in the bad old days you had to have friends in low places, so that was never an option for me.

 

The legacy of the troubles has left some good things, we have the strictest anti-discrimination legislation in the world, and the most accountable police force in the world. It's just a pity that the Stormont Assembly can't get its act together and criminalise wheel clamping, like every other part of the UK.

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Without wishing to take the thread too far off topic (who said too late whistle.gif) Indeed I did. 5 tours.

 

I'm glad to hear that it's changed a lot (99.9% of the people there deserve the peace), but I won't be back. I vowed the last time I stepped onto the boat home that I'd never set foot in the place again. I've been to the South several times since that day, but never the North.

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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Hi, I just gave up to be honest. I tried the police to get a crime ref no. but they said it was outside their resume. I wrote to MLA, you name it but I was met with blanks. Let me know what you intend to do, to be honest I was SO cross. Be careful you don't end up spending more money on a lost cause. Good luck

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Hi Cal,

I'd like to get in touch with you, I have been writing to David Ford, Minister for Justice. He thinks clampers are wonderful people and can't seem to find any evidence of abuse, so I have set about trying to find some. I have been working with my MLA, he is broadly sympathetic and intends to raise the issue in the next Stormont term. Of course with the current shenanigans up there, it could be sooner rather than later.

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