Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • Which Court have you received the claim from ?  Civil National Business Centre Northampton NN1 2LH Name of the Claimant ?  PRA Group UK Portfolios LTD   How many defendant's  joint or self ?  Just my self Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.    24th May 2024   ^^^^^ NOTE : WHEN CALCULATING THE TIMELINE - PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE DATE ON THE CLAIMFORM IS ONE IN THE COUNT [example: Issue date 01.03.2014 + 19 days (5 days for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = 19.03.2014 + 14 days to submit defence = 02.04.2014] = 33 days in total   Date of issue XX + 19 days ( 5 day for service + 14 days to acknowledge) = XX + 14 days to submit defence = XX (33 days in total)  if your defence filing date falls on a W/End, you must file by friday @4PM     Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  The claimant claims the sum of £22,000 for an outstanding debt owed. On 30/1/18 the defendant entered into n agreement with Lloyds Bank Plc for a bank loan under the reference 10017#######. On 4/1/19 the defendant defaulted on the agreement with an outstanding balance of £22,000. On 30/11/22 the debt of £22,000 assigned to PRA Group (UK) Limited, who itself assigned the debt to PRA Group UK Portfolios Ltd on 30/12/23. Notices of assignment were sent to the defendant in accordance with S136 Law of property act 1925. The claimant has instructed PRA Group (UK) Limited to act on its behalf in the recovery of the outstanding debt and to pursue litigation on its behalf. AND the claimant claims 1. The sum of £22,000. What is the total value of the claim?  £23,500 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?  Yes Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Did you inform the claimant of your change of address?  No - N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account?  Bank loan When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ?  No Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ?  I believe it was done online on their app Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ?  Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim.  Debt was with halifax, whom passed the debt to PRA Group. Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Yes Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor?  I'm not completely sure at it was nearly 6 years ago, I have done a CCA request and they have sent a screenshot of their system showing it was sent. Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ?  Yes Why did you cease payments?  Couldn't afford to make payments. What was the date of your last payment?  August 2018 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved?  No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan?  No
    • It’s all with current lenders and no missed payment to date. so with any reduced payment to them it’s likely to be going to debt collectors at some stage. we jointly own a property together me and my partner 
    • It’s all unsecured loans and credit cards. Mainly loans now though as most credit cards are paid off.   so 95% unsecured loans.   I just don’t know my situation job wise it’s almost impossible to say whether it’s likely or not just don’t want to be caught out by it. My mental health trying to pay this off has taken a huge hit also if I’m being honest. I feel like mentally I need some kind of respite and the credit file cost is something I can accept also. 
    • Depends on whether part of the roof needs to be replaced and whether it is a standard roof type,  but the works should only take a day or two. Someone I know had a whole semi-detached roof replaced in about 12 hours. Suggest you put it in writing to the business about the issues you mention in your post.  Also as business premises, you could also apply pressure by contacting local Council if necessary. 
    • Thank goodness it's not your roof and you get to foot the bill! How big are these bits of mortar? How often are they falling into your garden? Hourly, daily? Just go ahead with your plans, of course, they're not going to be worried by your time pressures and the urgency of the situation, so simply carry on as you would have done and I'm sure everything will go fine. Unless there is a danger to life and serious structural issues which mean you cannot venture into your garden, then IMHO there is little more you can do less for what you have done so already and made them aware of the issue.
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

Lowell say i owed on one lloyds debt, agreed SB'd, now claim i owe another debt!!


mucklebones
style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 3595 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Hello there I would be grateful for some assistance.

 

In 2008 I was contacted by Lowell and fell victim to their bullying tactics that I owed them I think the amount was £700 for a Lloyds TSB account, I have only ever had one Lloyds TSB account. I stopped paying in 08/2009 as my partner whos account the direct debit came out of) was declaring bankruptsy. I moved and didnt bother to tell Lowell.

 

I recently gained access to my experian credit report and it shows no credit accounts or anything, which would be right since I only have a basic account. However there are many unrecorded searches from Lowell who have obviously caught up with me since updating my credit files.

 

I received a letter a couple of days ago about the Lloyds account, so I emailed them: (Please note most recent first so best to start from the bottom.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 

I have requested from Lloyds confirmation of the account number that this relates to.

 

 

 

As previously advised we do believe this is your account and refer you to your conversation with our advisors on the 12th June 2008 advising that you were unable to clear the account and you would call back with your partners Debit Card to make payments, you subsequently set up a Direct Debit on this account and contacted our advisors on the 6th July 2009 advising that due to your financial situation you were filing for Bankruptcy and would not be making further payments. We did not hear from you after this despite several attempts to contact you.

 

 

 

The account shall be placed on hold until we hear back from Lloyds, at which point we shall revert back to you and will require your proposals of repayment.

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

 

Charlotte

 

Customer Services, Lowell Group

 

Email: [email protected]

 

Phone: 0844 844 4716

 

 

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 

 

Hello

 

 

 

As I am unable to recognize this alleged Lloyds account could you please provide me with the account number.

 

 

 

Could you please provide to me proof of payment method for the alleged payment.

 

 

 

Regards.

 

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

.

 

From: [email protected]

 

 

Hello ,

 

 

 

Thank you for getting back to me.

 

 

 

I can confirm that this account does fall under the Limitations Act and as such we have closed this account.

 

 

 

We do have a second account for you that does not fall under the Limitations Act. Please see details of this below.

 

 

 

Reference - Lloyds TSB (Current Account) - Balance £1294.03

 

 

 

You have made £113.50 of payments to us to date with the last payment to this account being on the 1st September 2009 for £11.50.

 

 

 

We now require you to contact us to discuss repayment of this account.

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

 

Charlotte

 

Customer Services, Lowell Group

 

Email: [email protected]

 

Phone: 0844 844 4716

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

13 March 2014

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

 

Without prejudice

 

Account No: DOB:

 

You have contacted me regarding the account with the above reference number, which you claim is owed by myself.

 

I would point out that under the Limitation Act 1980 Section 5:

 

“An action founded on simple contract shall not be brought after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued.”

 

I would point out that in their Debt Collection Guidance, the OFT regard the following to be unfair or improper business practice for a creditor to:

 

pursue the debt under circumstances in which the debtor has heard nothing from a creditor during the relevant limitation period;

 

continue to press a debtor for payment after he has stated that he will not be paying a debt because it is statute-barred.

 

The last payment or acknowledgement of this debt was made over six years ago and no further acknowledgement or payment has been made since that time. Unless you can provide evidence of payment or written contact from me in the relevant period under Section 5 of the Limitation Act, I suggest that you are no longer able to take any court action against me to recover the alleged amount claimed.

 

I await your written confirmation that no further contact will be made concerning the above account and confirmation that this matter is now closed.

 

 

I look forward to hearing from you.

 

Yours faithfully

 

 

 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

From: [email protected]

 

 

Hello Lisa,

 

 

 

Thank you for your email.

 

 

 

So I can help you further with this, for security purposes, can you confirm to me your date of birth please.

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

 

Charlotte

 

Customer Services, Lowell Group

 

 

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Ref: xxxx

 

 

 

Dear sir,

 

 

 

I refer to the letter from Red debt collection Services regarding the alleged debt for £1194.32 please note I do not acknowledge any debt to company of the Lowell Group.

 

 

 

Having reviewed my credit history and on taking advice on this matter I have concluded that any such alleged debt is statute barred therefore I will not now or in the future make any payment or offer of payment in regard to the alleged debt.

 

 

 

Should you wish to dispute the status of the alleged debt you must be aware that the onus of strict proof that the alleged debt is not statute barred lies entirely on Lowell and it is not for me to prove that it is so barred.

 

 

 

You will now cease to process all data relating to me and remove from your records.

 

 

 

I am fully aware of the OFT Guidance on Debt Collection 2003/2012 and the sections regarding the pursuit of statute barred debt.

 

 

 

Final Response.

 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry should have probably laid it out better but I am not confident with all this technology. How am I to proceed now? I dont see how one Lloyds account is now statute barred but they have found another account. Have only ever had one account and I am certain not for that sort of balance.

 

Any advice greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Link to post
Share on other sites

heh theyre trying to ask "security questions" in emails now, in order for you to give them info needed to complete their debt details. Poor fools.

 

 

When you say lloyds account, do you mean a Credit card/over draft etc

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

I am not entirely sure if honest, It could be an small overdraft, charges, and credit card combined. I have not had an account with them for a very long time I cant even remember if I had an overdraft facility. Sorry I understand thats not helpful.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Did you ever send them a prove it letter? The onus is on THEM to prove an account exists, what it was for and if payments were made. NOT for you to prove it doesnt and you didnt.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think you need to send a prove it letter to them my normal mail. You have no idea what its for, and they are evading giving you a reply.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?387363-You-know-nothing-of-the-Debt-Prove-It

 

Read, edit and send. Ignore them completely until they provide a valid response. They will try and method they can to get money from you including litigation, therefore it is in your best interests to act fast and get them before they get you. So far all theyve done is given very vague information, and since you have replied to all their emails, they have you marked as a potential cashcow.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just remember, the debt MIGHT very well be legit, but you need to be getting some answers. So far, youve simply been given very little info by a random DCA demanding a random amount of money.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

Youll know when they send it. Lowells are normally very vague at the best of times. lets wait for their reply.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

If my advice helps you, click the star icon at the bottom of my post and feel free to say thanks

:D

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 months later...

Finally received this letter this morning. Although I am confused they say that Lloyds confirm the account number as 2514xxxxxxxx yet on the right of their letter the account number is different?

 

Any ideas on how to proceed with this?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Please use this method to post up your documents

 

**you can post up images/letters by this method immediately..you don't need 10 posts**

.

set your default scan page size to A4 less than 300DPI [150 will do]

scan the required letters/agreements/sheets - as a picture[jpg] file

don't forget you can use a mobile phone or a digital camera too!!

'

BUT......

ENSURE: remove all pers info inc. barcodes etc

but leave all monetary figures and dates.

.

************************* ************************* *******

{DO NOT USE A BIRO OR PEN OR USE SEE THRU TAPE OR LABELS]

************************* ************************* ***********

.

DO IT IN MSPAINT.EXE or any photo editing program

goto one of the many free online pdf converter websites ...

http://freejpgtopdf.com/

http://www.convert-jpg-to-pdf.net/

..

if you have multiple scans/pics

put them in a word doc FIRST and convert that to PDF

or http://www.freepdfconvert.com/

or

use http://www.pdfmerge.com

 

convert existing PC files to PDF [office has an installable print to PDF option]

..

it would be better to upload a multipage pdf if

you have many images too rather than many single pdfs

.

or if you have PDF as an installed printer drive use that

or use word and save as pdf

try and logically name your file so people know what it is.

though DONT USE BANK NAMES or CAGicon in the title

i'e Default notice DDicon-mm-yyyy

.

open a new msg box here

hit go advanced below the msg box

hit manage attachments below that box

hit the add files button on the top right

hit select files, navigate to your file on your pc

hit upload files

...

YOU DONT have to put a link to the attachment in the msg box..just upload it ..job done

you can click on your links to check them too!

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Received a letter from Lloyds this morning with postal order attached saying they have not been able to trace any accounts and the account number provided is not even a valid Lloyds account number.

 

I requested information about the account Lowell state they have had confirmation from Lloyds that it was my account. As in PDF account number starting 2514xxx

 

Lloyds have also said if I provide any other account numbers or previous addresses they could try to locate any other information.

 

Should I provide them with the account number from the Lowell letter to the right of the letter in the PDF 263xx?

 

Lowell have also replied this morning saying they have requested a copy of my credit agreement and will be in contact asap.

 

How should I proceed?

 

Thank you in advance.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I gather that you made payments to a £700 debt in 2009 that was already SB.

 

If Lowell's hadn't contacted you about the £1200 debt prior to 2014, how could they claim that payments that you made to them in 2009 be towards that debt?

 

Wait for the CCA response.

 

A SAR to Lowell might uncover their tricks if they do hold a valid CCA, alternatively a letter asking them to explain why they are claiming that payments made t one account had been applied to another that they hadn't made you aware of.

 

Do you have notices of assignment for these accounts?

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

I have no notices of assignments for these forgive me but I do not know what these are.

 

So I have not received a SAR from Lloyds as yet, but they have written back to me on 2 occasions asking for more information since both account numbers were invalid.

 

I received a letter from Lowell, they sent me also 7 months worth of bank statements for an old Lloyds account and could not provide an original credit

agreement.

 

Could anyone advise me how to respond now. Adding PDF images now.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...