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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I don't know if I'm posting this in the right pace but hope some one can help me. We have been having problems with are neighbours continually parking on our drive.

 

We live in a quiet cul de sac in a small rural community. The houses are owned by housing association and each has its own drive.

 

Our drives are side by side next to each other. They seem to think they own both drives and can park where they want.

 

They continually park on our drive, and have never once asked for permission.

 

They seem to run a laundry business from there home, ( they have had many washing machines delivered in the last 3 months and they have at least 2-3 dryers in there shed running 24 x7 . Last summer we could not use garden due to the noise of the dryers, you can even hear the dryers at night from bedroom). They are a older couple with no children.

 

so there are continual people parking on are drive to collect there laundry. They have had builders in and have also told them to park on our drive.

 

We are getting sick of it. We don't actually have a car at the moment but that's not the point. They should not be parking on our drive.

 

We are getting a car this week and want to be able to park on our drive.

 

Also if we go out of the house the only access off the property even walking is down the drive. When they park on our drive they block whole drive so when walk dog I have to walk in muddy grass and flower beds to get out.

 

Is there any thing I can do to stop them parking on our drive. I have tried talking to them, but they are very rude and aggressive people.

 

I have started keeping a diary of each time they park on our drive and I have been taking photos.

 

Is it even legal to park on some or else's drive.

 

Who's the best person to complain to, council, housing association, police...

 

Any advice would be much appreciated

 

Thanks in advance

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You might also enquire with the housing association if they permit their properties to be used for commercial purposes and check with the planning department at your local council whether they have obtained planning permission for a change of use.

 

We had a similar situation several years ago where a neighbouring property was being used as business premises with large vans parked all over the place and causing havoc. The solution turned out to be their lack of planning permission which led to a swift relocation.

 

Also just noted the comments about having builders in. As this is a housing association property, what were they doing?

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Silly question. Have you asked them not to park on your drive?

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Hi

 

What you may need to do is if possible but you are the one that knows your neighbour is try and initially politely ask them if they could keep your drive clear bear in mind you are paying rent for the use of your drive.

 

If this does not work then you have done the correct thing by keeping a log and if possible take photos too of the different vehicles.

 

Now if they are running a Business from Housing Association property then would have needed to have asked for permission from the Housing Association to do this and it will probably be in the tenancy agreement as well that they need permission.

 

If it continues you will probably need to make a Formal Complaint to the Housing Association but you need to bear in mind any repercussion of the neighbour causing further issues or blaming you etc.

 

You need to follow the Housing Asociations Complaints Procedure for this, also does your housing association have an antisocial/neighbourhood services team if so report these incident to them as well.

 

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Even if it werent a HA property, I would still be pretty miffed if I were unable to use my own drive due the selfishness of the next door neighbour.

 

I would doubt very much that the HA are allowing them to operate any business from their home. I think there could be implications for business tax/rates as well.

 

I too wonder why they have builders in. Again, if it is a HA property, then it would be them who organised any building repairs etc !!

 

Could you not perhaps ask for an HA representative to visit you for some reason.. perhaps they will notice what is going on.

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Thanks for your replies so far their house is defiantly owned by housing association. Where I live is a brand new estate of 11 brand new houses that housing association had built under 2 years ago.

 

I have no idea why they keep having builders in. I know they are not builders that housing association use as they use one particular company ( Armstrong) and these are not Armstrong vans.

 

I cant be 100% sure that they are running a business but it does seem like they are. Why would they need so many washing machines and dryers for just 2 of them. And I have seen many people come every day dropping off bags of what seems to be washing.

 

They seem to be making a lot of money from what ever they are doing. They are not hiding the fact either. In the last 2 months they have bought many brand new washing machines, a new cooker, a new American style fridge freezer. They have new things delivered every week. They have just bought a new car as well.

 

My neighbours are not really very approachable, I have asked several times that they don't park on my drive but they just start shouting the odds and get very rude and aggressive.

 

The repercussions of complaining to housing association is what worries me. I can imagine that they will come straight round and will start screaming and shouting. It would not surprise me if they got violent. I just don't know what to do for the best.

 

I will have a look at my tenancy agreement to see if it says any thing about running a business , as there tenancy agreement and mine should be the same or similar.

 

Thanks again

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Hello there.

 

It seems that you have a choice to make. If you don't want to let the HA know what your neighbours are doing, would you consider CitizenB's suggestion?

 

I suppose another option could be the council/local authority.

 

If you don't want to involve the HA, how do you think you might stop the neighbours doing what they're doing? Or is there another solution you would prefer/

 

My best, HB

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I'm sorry I don't think I worded it right. It not that I don't want the HA to get involved. I would like more than any thing to make a complaint to housing association and for them to get involved but am worried and the re reclusion and the safety of my self and my family. If they got aggressive and violent. I have 4 young children to think about. It's hard I don't know what to do. Could I anonymously tip off the housing association about the fact they seem to be running a business.

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I would imagine the HA would have something to say about running a business from home. The Council could also be interested as they could be liable for re-assessment for partial business rates.

 

 

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If you make a Formal Complaint to the Housing Association but insist that you want to remain anonymous due to fear of repercussions the Housing Association have to take this into account and you can request that they do not visit your property but to meet at a neutral location if that is required.

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I think this could be classed as anti social behaviour. If so, this is something your HA will deal with. You must contact them. You've done well logging everything as this will help the HA to build a case.

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