NHS approach to obesity 'patchy'

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Obesity services across the UK are "extremely patchy", meaning valuable opportunities to help obese patients are often lost, doctors say.

 

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[Conniff]

What the hell has the NHS to do with obesity, they didn't force food down peoples throats, they didn't force people to sit around doing sod all, they didn't force anyone to take the car to visit the corner shop down the road.

 

Oh it's all the governments fault. When will the nation get it into it's silly mind that the government hasn't a penny, all the funds used comes from the working people.

 

Stop blaming others and take a look at yourselves for a change.

[estellyn]

Rather than prejudice, how about some science as to why the NHS and government shouldn't be involved in obesity management and prevention - they haven't a clue what they're doing, except causing Conniff style prejudice against the obese.

 

The one thing I agree on get government and doctors away from nutrition advice - they're useless and making the problem worse.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/opinion/sunday/what-really-makes-us-fat.html?_r=0

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=all

 

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/healthy-eating_index.html

[Conniff]

My prejudice is against people who open their mouth without thinking. Please point out the word or words I've used that show prejudice against overweight people?

[estellyn]

My prejudice is against people who open their mouth without thinking. Please point out the word or words I've used that show prejudice against overweight people?

 

they didn't force food down peoples throats, they didn't force people to sit

around doing sod all, they didn't force anyone to take the car to visit the

corner shop down the road.

 

If this is really the picture you have of obese people, it is prejudice - you are ascribing a set of characteristics to all members of a group, that are actually a stereotype of a member of that group.

[Conniff]

Ask any doctor or nutritionist what the cycle of food is and they will tell you that basically what goes into the mouth has to come back out of the legs.

 

Why are there so many more people overweight compared with 40 or 50 years ago?

 

What I have said could be classed as stereotypical, but it definitely is not prejudice. Why would I have a prejudice against myself.

[estellyn]

Ask any doctor or nutritionist what the cycle of food is and they will tell you that basically what goes into the mouth has to come back out of the legs.

 

Why are there so many more people overweight compared with 40 or 50 years ago?

 

What I have said could be classed as stereotypical, but it definitely is not prejudice. Why would I have a prejudice against myself.

 

Doctors have about 4 hours of nutrition training, and nutritionists are just taught the current 'a calorie is a calorie' drivel. The body is complex with loads of biochemical processes going on. The reason why so many people are overweight is the increase in sugars in our food. The demonisation of fat has meant that processed foods claiming to be low fat, will often have added sugars (including HFCS), plus many ordinary foods have sugar added. Sugar is fructose and glucose, and fructose is not metabolised in the same way as glucose. Fructose is processed by the liver, and the increased fructose causes changes in the liver leading to insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome in genetically susceptible people (some people can eat tonnes of sugar to little effect, and for others even small amounts of sugar will lead to insulin resistance).

 

Once a person has insulin resistance, the high carb recommendations for healthy eating will cause difficulties in maintaining a healthy weight, let alone if that person doesn't eat perfectly. Insulin resistance causes a whole raft of problems, one of which is high insulin levels which leads to increased fat deposition and also increased hunger, because the calories that would be used for energy are now beingg locked up as fat. So the person then feels the overwhelming urge to eat more.

 

So these people with high insulin levels are advised to eat low calorie diets which are high in carbs, that they can't possibly stick to because it makes them feel hungry all the time. 95% of all diets fail, and due to the insulin resistance, many will end up at a heavier weight after the diet fails.

 

In order to lose weight and keep it off, some people with severe insulin resistance will have to eat a low carb diet for the rest of their lives. But this is not accepted yet in the mainstream. Medical and nutritionist advice is based on bad science - and when I say bad science, you just need to look at who funds these studies - food manufacturers, in whose interest it is to ensure that 'a calorie is a calorie' reigns supreme, so that their processed products keep flying off of the shelves.

 

The articles I linked to cover some of the science.

[Conniff]

You are much too clever for me.

[estellyn]

You are much too clever for me.

 

sarcasm????

[Nystagmite]

What the hell has the NHS to do with obesity, they didn't force food down peoples throats, they didn't force people to sit around doing sod all, they didn't force anyone to take the car to visit the corner shop down the road.

 

Oh it's all the governments fault. When will the nation get it into it's silly mind that the government hasn't a penny, all the funds used comes from the working people.

 

Stop blaming others and take a look at yourselves for a change.

 

Can you please tell that to people whose medical conditions make losing weight difficult? Some people are physically disabled, which makes exercising difficult.

 

Stop being so bloody judgmental.

 

My mum has an underactive thyroid, which makes losing weight really difficult.