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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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You need to get the Vodaphone rep who is on this site on the case, they took over 3G accounts a while ago.

 

He is very good at getting the DCAs off your back and sorting things out.

 

He isn't around till tomorrow but will certainly help out. Search for Lee Vodaphone Rep and let him know what is going on.

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Lowlifes & 3G they don't go together and are very easy to send packing, unfortunately I don't have the time for the next two weeks, however Lowlifes, you can defo ignore, they can't and won't do a single thing, 3G are the ones you need to hammer, get the CEO's email and harass him, he will kill it dead within 48 hours......unless you do seriously owe them.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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I'm not too worried about Lowells either. I have managed to see off Moorcroft and Fredrickson's so far this year with so much ease it's almost laughable. I don't expect lowells to last too much longer after I get done with them.

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Seems this morning that I might have lowells on the ropes already. ;)

 

Thank you for taking the time to email us on 25 October 2010, I have fully noted all the points you have raised. I am sorry that you have had reason to contact us but appreciate the opportunity to investigate this matter.

I have been asked to investigate and respond to your concerns on behalf of our Executive Team and can confirm that I will be conducting a thorough investigation into the issues raised. Upon completion of this investigation I will email you again with our resolution.

I would also like to reassure you that whilst my investigations are ongoing we will place the account on hold, which means we will not be carrying out any collections activities, until your complaint has been resolved.

In the meantime, if you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact me by calling the free telephone number: 0800 542 0058*, which brings you directly through to the Consumer Relations Department.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Craig Hall

Consumer Relations Team

Tel: 0800 542 0058

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Executive team!!!!:spit:

 

Investigation!!!:der:

 

Consumer relations!!!!:flypig:

 

They must have been at the cooking sherry again, poor deluded fools....I didn't know that lowlifes were in the retail business, consumers eh!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Little bt of an amusing update. Got a email back saying they still ivtestigating bla bla bla. I was trying to reply back saying OK then but my email addy's been blocked as my reply got sent back to me :p My heart bleeds :p

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I have not denied this debt (In hindsight I was prob wrong to cancel when I did but I did attempt to inform 3G That I wanted to cancel I maintain (Despte their insistence that I didn't) Anyway, This came back to me this morning:

 

write in response to your email of 25 October 2010 and would like to thank you for your patience whilst I have investigated your concerns. I am sorry you have felt it necessary to contact us regarding your experiences and I am now in a position to respond to you.

 

In reference to the above stated account, I can confirm that the Lowell Group of Companies purchased this debt from 3G, including all rights and benefits, on 25 August 2010 with the intention of helping you find an affordable repayment plan to clear the outstanding balance. With this in mind, 3G are unable to enter into any negotiations as requested in your email of 1 November 2010 as they are no longer the owners of the account.

 

I take note of your comments regarding previous letters sent to you in connection with this matter and your intended action should you receive subsequent letters in connection with monies owed; however, our collections processes are in line with guidelines set by the Office of Fair Trading and I am satisfied that we have adhered to these and acted appropriately, though I am sorry if you do not feel this to be the case.

 

It is my aim to help resolve this matter amicably and to the satisfaction of each party; I have considered your payment offer of 10% of the balance in full and final settlement and, in the interests of amicably resolving this matter, I am prepared to accept this as a gesture of goodwill. A full and final payment of £43.59 is therefore required and I kindly ask that you contact me to confirm your intended payment method.

 

Upon receipt of your payment, our files will be closed accordingly.

 

I would like to thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and as I believe we have now reached an amicable resolution, I will be closing your complaint. If for any reason you do not believe the matter to be resolved, please come back to me and I will re-open your file.

 

Kind regards

 

 

I said that I was only paying off 10% of the balance and the lowlifes have accepted. After I pay this? Should it be off the record? (I've requested a payment slip as I ain't giving the **** my bank details)

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Hi j_s

Not a bad result in some ways but in others why would they accept 10% if this was fully enforceable

Anyway . . if you're happy with this and you intend to pay you need to get from them in writing first that this is indeed a F & F and that after this you CRF will be cleared and the guarantee that the remaining balance will be wiped and not passed on

You need to be 100% sure that this will be the end of it

Good luck

R

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I asked them to wait whilst I got my Bank card :violin:

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Information that may help if a CCA request is refused due to the lack of a signature . . http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?248863-Signature-demands-fight-back-possible-!&highlight=

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That's what i'll draft in a leter when i'm sending it back to them. Official confirmation that it's closed/wped from the record and won't be passed on (I'll get them to confirm in writing to me) Already requested via email the same thing. Prob accepted 10% to get me to bugger off who knows. :p I got the amount sitting here for them. I'll scan whatever letters I get when I get them (Another thing I want out my way) I can concentrate on my biggest battle now which is Argos Card Services. ;)

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That's what i'll draft in a leter when i'm sending it back to them. Official confirmation that it's closed/wped from the record and won't be passed on (I'll get them to confirm in writing to me) Already requested via email the same thing. Prob accepted 10% to get me to bugger off who knows. :p I got the amount sitting here for them. I'll scan whatever letters I get when I get them (Another thing I want out my way) I can concentrate on my biggest battle now which is Argos Card Services. ;)

 

j_s

Get the written confirmation BEFORE you part with a penny

Don't leave it to chance that they'll accept payment and then comply with your request

R

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I asked them to wait whilst I got my Bank card :violin:

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Got this:

 

Thank you for your prompt response, I am pleased that you wish to proceed with the full and final settlement offer of £43.59.

 

Unfortunately we do not provide payment slips but do however offer a variety of repayment options for your convenience. I have detailed the available options below for your consideration:

 

· A cheque made payable to Lowell Financial Ltd can be forwarded to Lowell Financial Ltd, PO Box 172, Leeds, LS11 9WS (Please ensure account number is referenced to help us attribute this to your account)

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One-off debit/credit card payment

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Postal Order (Post Office)(Please ensure account number is referenced to help us attribute this to your account)

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Bank payment – Sort Code: 20-19-90, Account number: 40997765 (Please ensure account number is referenced to help us attribute this to your account)

 

I can assure you that, following a successful payment of £43.59, this account will be closed as settled and confirmed in writing by me for your records. No subsequent contact will then be made by the Lowell Group of Companies in connection with this matter.

 

I would like to thank you for your cooperation and look forward to your payment.

 

Kind regards

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Can I suggest you remove your account number from the email, don't want anyone else to know it

No subsequent contact will then be made by the Lowell Group of Companies in connection with this matter.

Not worried about Lowell but I would want to be sure that what ever action they take it will deffinately mean that no other DCA will be able to come after me further down the line

Just my cynical side coming through :sad:

R

 

 

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I asked them to wait whilst I got my Bank card :violin:

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Removed the account number. Also written back again asking for it to be confirmed about any other potental DCA'S chasing for the rest. (I've also asked for this to be sent to me via writing too)

 

Oh well it's just sit and wait

Hope this goes to plan and you manage to get rid of this sorry bunch

R

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I asked them to wait whilst I got my Bank card :violin:

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More:

 

I am more than happy to confirm this in writing for you and will issue this shortly.

 

If making a payment via your bank is preferable to you, please take the banking information provided earlier and a bank representative will arrange a one-off payment to us. It is worth noting that you must hold a bank account with them to make this payment.

 

For clarity, once we successfully receive the requested payment of £43.59, your account will be closed. As this will clear the debt, there is no requirement to pass this to any other agency in the future.

 

Kind Regards

 

 

That should get me sorted out surely.

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Sounds good j_s

Nice one

R

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This could put the cat among the pigeons. Proof that Lowell are watching these forums:

 

Written confirmation has been sent to you in the post and should arrive shortly. This confirms the agreement reached and the assurances you seek.

Whilst I cannot stop you posting the content of my responses on the Consumer Action Group website, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from including my name, as no prior permission has been given allowing you to do this.

Once again I would like to thank you for your cooperation and look forward to receiving your payment.

Kind regards

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This could put the cat among the pigeons. Proof that Lowell are watching these forums:

 

Written confirmation has been sent to you in the post and should arrive shortly. This confirms the agreement reached and the assurances you seek.

Whilst I cannot stop you posting the content of my responses on the Consumer Action Group website, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from including my name, as no prior permission has been given allowing you to do this.

Once again I would like to thank you for your cooperation and look forward to receiving your payment.

Kind regards

 

 

Of course they do :razz:

At least this guy has been of more use than his colleague James who has one bog standard post he uses and then does a runner when challenged :?:

R

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Just to bring this up to date a little.

 

As per my email of 10 November 2010, I have continued to monitor the account with regard to your payment and can confirm that this has successfully been received today. This payment represents settlement of the balance in full and final and I have now closed the account as previously agreed. You will receive no further contact from the Lowell Group of Companies in relation to this account, nor will we refer it to any other organisation for collection activity.

Confirmation of this will follow in the post as requested and I would like to thank you once again for your cooperation.

Kind regards

I'll be keeping the letter by the side just to make sure no other DCA comes chasing as you have all seen for yourself the proof that the account's been closed and nobody else can come chasing.

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