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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Abbey and DLA Piper seem to be parting company, apparently, those will cases still open will be contacted in due course with regard to alternative arrangements.

 

Does this sound Dodgy or is it just my overactive imagination?

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Probably everyone at DLA can now retire thanks to the vast amounts of money they will have been paid for handling all the cases.

 

Either that or they feel that defending all those pointless cases isnt worth the effort anymore.

1st Abbey claim settled 11th August - £5248.79

2nd Abbey claim started 21st September 2006

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perhaps they are just moving it in house so save money on the claims, must be costing them hundreds of thousands in pointless defence.

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Mind you they will probably use the change as an excuse to 'lose' papers, cause delays and anything else they can to b*gger up what we are trying to do.

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how do you know lula?i wonder if dla would like to settle seeing as their not gonna be dealing with the case anyway.

 

I know ;)

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Hi Lula - yes just logged on to say the same thing I have just had a conversation with our ' Love god!!' he said they were no longer dealing with Shabby, but did advise that my money will be in bank by monday at the latest!! lets hope so. Any sign of your money yet?

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I have a settlement agreed with abbey, i returned signed copy four days ago, just had e-mail from dla sying abbey are changing legal advisers as of mon 9th and there would be a delay in payment and my patience would be appreciated!!

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thats just great!!!!!!!! flipping hell both parties have to give standard disclosure by 18th of october .....what will happen now!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

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Well as it is not the legal team but the banking side that are supposed to be making payment, why should there be a delay, those people that have already settled should not have to be inconvenienced like this

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yeah but what about the ones that have imminent court cases ie me on the 18th oct....drat it couldve done without this....

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JUst got informed today that DLA were no longer going to be dealing with Abbey.

 

I would love to know what happens if your Court date has already been set and DLA (Banks reps) drop out.

 

I hope their replacements can quickly pick up the pointless paper-chase or will Abbey be the first Bank to go to Court by accident or design to defend their charges?

 

Where do we stand especially as we have to hand over court bundles 14 days before the Court Date!!!!!

 

Mines 20th Dec.........I hope they f&%k up big time and it finally gets an airing in Court! :D

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For three years I've tried to get Abbey to respond to my complaint regarding my mortgage. They've been stealing my money and they won't respond to any of my queries. Furthermore they're adding charges without offering any explanations. When I ask questions, I do not get any answers relating to my questions. I'm now looking for people in similar positions and came across this forum. I wish to exhange ideas on how to achieve justice and fair play.

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I guarantee this thread an site will be VERY busy over the next couple of days as this info leaks out.

 

I wonder why they have parted with DLA or vice versa?

 

Conspiracy theories abound! :p

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No contact yet from DLA, but I contacted my Solicitors to ascertain the process and meaning of what is happening.

 

Apparently this is a fairly common thing to happen in commercial businesses and also all Court Dates and requirements, orders etc still stand.

 

The Solicitors and the new reps must contact you within 2 weeks to advise you and if any Court Dates that are within that period that the new boys on the block hae taken over can't be met due to prep times etc, they must advise the Court in good time of an adjournement/postponement request.

 

Basically business as usual!!!:D

srfrench :eek:

 

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but my first court appearance is on 18th october less than two weeks away!!!!!!!!!! so above does not apply to me!

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I was looking forward to another conversation with Alison Burton, she sounded very nice :D

 

Perhaps the new guys will have some totti... er nice young ladies as well

1st Abbey claim settled 11th August - £5248.79

2nd Abbey claim started 21st September 2006

DPA letter posted 22nd September

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oh my goodness gracious me..... what fun.... got a whole new firm of solicitors to aggrevate endlessy now.... just when i thought life was getting dull... ha ha ha

Andrea Day, Lincs

 

Abbey- LBA delivered 08/08/06 claiming £2502.19

Deemed Served on the 25/08/06

Respond by 08/09/06

Default Judgement entered 12/09/06 for £1377.09

Offer recieved for 1371.09 less GOGW offer NOT accepted

Court date for default set aside on 20/11/06

Settled cheque for £1377.19 recieved and accepted.

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oh my goodness gracious me..... what fun.... got a whole new firm of solicitors to aggrevate endlessy now.... just when i thought life was getting dull... ha ha ha

 

The flip side of that is that we all know and "love" DLA, its tactics etc.

 

We don't know DLA's replacements.

 

Perhaps Shabbey will be dealing with it inhouse - but I doubt it.

Abbey - Won DPA Claim - Aug 06 and got bailiffs in to recover my court costs of just £30.00

Abbey - Won Charges Refund of £1050 - Nov 06

Egg - Recovered £220 due to Customer Services misinformation - Feb 2007

Nat West - Prelinimary Letter to recover on Credit Card charges £30.00 sent March 2006. £25.40 offered - rejected and the bank reckons that this is it's last word on the matter. We'll see if that's still the case when it reads my N1 form sent recently. It has until the 17th April to respond or the N1 will be submitted.

 

Please check out my web site www.BankChargesScandal.co.uk for Research, Useful links and my story.

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Abbey's new solicitors are Ashursts

 

Don't know there addresses yet though.............. waiting for them to knock so we can all welcome them onboard :D

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Interesting.

 

They must have used them for something else as when I went to Google them, their name appeared in the search box as I typed, meaning that I'd typed it before. I'm not in litigation with anyone else just now, so it is either a flook or someone else has mentioned its name in the past.

 

Ashurst

Abbey - Won DPA Claim - Aug 06 and got bailiffs in to recover my court costs of just £30.00

Abbey - Won Charges Refund of £1050 - Nov 06

Egg - Recovered £220 due to Customer Services misinformation - Feb 2007

Nat West - Prelinimary Letter to recover on Credit Card charges £30.00 sent March 2006. £25.40 offered - rejected and the bank reckons that this is it's last word on the matter. We'll see if that's still the case when it reads my N1 form sent recently. It has until the 17th April to respond or the N1 will be submitted.

 

Please check out my web site www.BankChargesScandal.co.uk for Research, Useful links and my story.

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hey I just looked at their web site, they have Jesus working for them ROFLMAO!!

Lula

 

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