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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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@ OB yes good idea, anything that will worry the bailiff and undermine any attempts to pervert the hearing into litigation is good.

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Its my first post so be gentle.I am considering making one of these complaints myself but have read about people being stuffed for costs.

 

This makes me a bit hesitant, i understand what you say about this not being litigation, but if this is true how could the judge award costs against the person taking the action.

 

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Its my first post so be gentle.I am considering making one of these complaints myself but have read about people being stuffed for costs.

 

This makes me a bit hesitant, i understand what you say about this not being litigation, but if this is true how could the judge award costs against the person taking the action.

 

DB

Hi Dodgeball, it is not something to enter into lightly, your best option is to start your own thread, and Caggers can advise better if you post up the details, you can use the one I have started for you here if you like

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=168

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Many thanks i will do.

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Its my first post so be gentle.I am considering making one of these complaints myself but have read about people being stuffed for costs.

 

This makes me a bit hesitant, i understand what you say about this not being litigation, but if this is true how could the judge award costs against the person taking the action.

 

DB

 

I must admit DB, that if I did not have an amazing amount of supporting evidence, I would definitely not be entering the Form 4. It can be quite daunting to think about the costs involved, if you lose.

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Yes that seems to be the opinion on other threads, i was reading tommotubies earlier(sorry if that is not how it is spelled) he/she seems to think that you need all your ducks in a row before you take this on.

 

I am going to get the info together and start a new thread. the issue is resolved now, in as much as they are no longer chasing me, but they ripped me off unmercifully when i was at my most vulnerable and i would love to get some payback

 

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If they have charged you fees the law does not permit or for work they did not carry out, e.g. phantom visits, non-existent or invalid levies, the bailiff involved is committing a criminal offence under Section 2(1), Fraud Act 2006 and the bailiff company and its management is potentially committing an offence under Section 12 of the Act. What sort of figure are we talking about in terms of illegal fees?

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Yes that seems to be the opinion on other threads, i was reading tommotubies earlier(sorry if that is not how it is spelled) he/she seems to think that you need all your ducks in a row before you take this on.

 

I am going to get the info together and start a new thread. the issue is resolved now, in as much as they are no longer chasing me, but they ripped me off unmercifully when i was at my most vulnerable and i would love to get some payback

 

DB

 

Ooh yes, definitely chase it. Loads of help available on here for you :)

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Ok guys. I received a letter from the council today (it came yesterday but I didn't see it). You will never believe what they are saying now. Basically they are denying that we have evidence of anything and that we are making serious allegations against council staff with no proof etc.... This letter is 8 pages long and contains some serious veiled threats. I just cannot believe that they are totally dismissing our evidence. I suppose it's a psychological tactic, however, I have provided them with all of the proof that we have, including the Police evidence. I think they are trying to mind f*** me and put me off pursuing it all. Obviously I had already contacted them to tell them not to bother with any further investigation as I was going to invoke the LGO, as they had missed my deadline. I just cannot understand why they believe that I have no substantial evidence, it's ludicrous, I have sent them evidence of everything.

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Annette, I have read this thread with interest the last few days. Don't let the councils lies sway you and put you off. The council have to be liars to enforce their illegal practices, and I don't just mean CTax illegal practices. Councils need exposing just as the MP's expense scandals. If it we're, it would make the MPs scandal look like childs play. Always remember, when dealing with the council, they are cheats. liars and the lowest of low. Go ahead with your action and watch them squirm.

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Ok guys. I received a letter from the council today (it came yesterday but I didn't see it). You will never believe what they are saying now. Basically they are denying that we have evidence of anything and that we are making serious allegations against council staff with no proof etc.... This letter is 8 pages long and contains some serious veiled threats. I just cannot believe that they are totally dismissing our evidence. I suppose it's a psychological tactic, however, I have provided them with all of the proof that we have, including the Police evidence. I think they are trying to mind f*** me and put me off pursuing it all. Obviously I had already contacted them to tell them not to bother with any further investigation as I was going to invoke the LGO, as they had missed my deadline. I just cannot understand why they believe that I have no substantial evidence, it's ludicrous, I have sent them evidence of everything.

 

What sort of threats are they making in the letter, Annette? I will be in tomorrow morning. You have my number. Give me a call. If you can, scan the letter and email it to me.

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Annette, I have read this thread with interest the last few days. Don't let the councils lies sway you and put you off. The council have to be liars to enforce their illegal practices, and I don't just mean CTax illegal practices. Councils need exposing just as the MP's expense scandals. If it we're, it would make the MPs scandal look like childs play. Always remember, when dealing with the council, they are cheats. liars and the lowest of low. Go ahead with your action and watch them squirm.

 

Thanks for the moral support :)

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What sort of threats are they making in the letter, Annette? I will be in tomorrow morning. You have my number. Give me a call. If you can, scan the letter and email it to me.

 

Hi OB, I admit that, I have just scan read the letter, I say letter, it is more like a novel. It appears that they are warning me off by insinuating that I have made serious, unfounded allegations etc.... It is certainly designed to scare me off.

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Hi OB, I admit that, I have just scan read the letter, I say letter, it is more like a novel. It appears that they are warning me off by insinuating that I have made serious, unfounded allegations etc.... It is certainly designed to scare me off.

 

Wow, to put an 8 page letter together, you really have got these on the run!! Annettte, you rustled their feathers, the best course of action with them now is silence and carry on with your action. It would be interesting to see their reply, I bet it's full of snivelling lies to put you off and make you feel like you don't stand a chance. If you didn't have a case they let you carry on, the sheer fact you've got an 8 page letter tells me they are panicking and running for the hills. Go get 'em!! :-D

 

It sounds like they've sent the kind of letter a fraudster would send designed to intimidate. 8 pages, man, they must be desperate!

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If they have sent an 8 page letter with veiled threats therin, they must be rattled seriously enough to try one final application of "The Frighteners". It is way beyond Immodium in Council Towers now. Wouldn't mind seeing the letter, as per OB I reckon they have incriminated themselves further, and there may be breaches of the Protection From Harassment Act 1997 as contained in Section 1

 

(1)A person must not pursue a course of conduct—

 

(a)which amounts to harassment of another, and

(b)which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.

 

(2)For the purposes of this section, the person whose course of conduct is in question ought to know that it amounts to harassment of another if a reasonable person in possession of the same information would think the course of conduct amounted to harassment of the other.

 

(3)Subsection (1) does not apply to a course of conduct if the person who pursued it shows—

 

(a)that it was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime,

(b)that it was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment, or

©that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable.

 

They may use S2 (b) to justify their action, but they fall foul of S2 (b) as their behaviour ,and ongoing threats were NOT reasonable as to absolve them from Criminal Responsibility, further depending on the content, the ongoing threats and attempts to frighten Annette, with bullying and threats, constitutes the mens rea to complete the offence, as they knew exactly what they were doing. their problem is that Annette was not being frightened.

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If they have sent an 8 page letter with veiled threats therin, they must be rattled seriously enough to try one final application of "The Frighteners". It is way beyond Immodium in Council Towers now. Wouldn't mind seeing the letter, as per OB I reckon they have incriminated themselves further, and there may be breaches of the Protection From Harassment Act 1997 as contained in Section 1

 

(1)A person must not pursue a course of conduct—

 

(a)which amounts to harassment of another, and

(b)which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.

 

(2)For the purposes of this section, the person whose course of conduct is in question ought to know that it amounts to harassment of another if a reasonable person in possession of the same information would think the course of conduct amounted to harassment of the other.

 

(3)Subsection (1) does not apply to a course of conduct if the person who pursued it shows—

 

(a)that it was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime,

(b)that it was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment, or

©that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable.

 

They may use S2 (b) to justify their action, but they fall foul of S2 (b) as their behaviour ,and ongoing threats were NOT reasonable as to absolve them from Criminal Responsibility, further depending on the content, the ongoing threats and attempts to frighten Annette, with bullying and threats, constitutes the mens rea to complete the offence, as they knew exactly what they were doing. their problem is that Annette was not being frightened.

 

Thank you BN. I will get round to scanning the mammoth letter this afternoon and will email it to you if you PM me your email address :)

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Tried to PM but your mailbox is full Annette.

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I wonder whether all the elected councillors are aware of your complaint and if so whether they are aware of exactly what happened.

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If they have sent an 8 page letter with veiled threats therin, they must be rattled seriously enough to try one final application of "The Frighteners". It is way beyond Immodium in Council Towers now. Wouldn't mind seeing the letter, as per OB I reckon they have incriminated themselves further, and there may be breaches of the Protection From Harassment Act 1997 as contained in Section 1

 

(1)A person must not pursue a course of conduct—

 

(a)which amounts to harassment of another, and

(b)which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.

 

(2)For the purposes of this section, the person whose course of conduct is in question ought to know that it amounts to harassment of another if a reasonable person in possession of the same information would think the course of conduct amounted to harassment of the other.

 

(3)Subsection (1) does not apply to a course of conduct if the person who pursued it shows—

 

(a)that it was pursued for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime,

(b)that it was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment, or

©that in the particular circumstances the pursuit of the course of conduct was reasonable.

 

They may use S2 (b) to justify their action, but they fall foul of S2 (b) as their behaviour ,and ongoing threats were NOT reasonable as to absolve them from Criminal Responsibility, further depending on the content, the ongoing threats and attempts to frighten Annette, with bullying and threats, constitutes the mens rea to complete the offence, as they knew exactly what they were doing. their problem is that Annette was not being frightened.

 

The fact that the LO was forged/non-existent knocks that into the long grass, BN. I don't know about you, but I'm thinking Section 1, Malicious Communications Act 1988. Also, if the person who has sent this letter is a legal professional, there may be grounds for making a formal complaint to the SRA. Bear in mind that the LGO can only deal with matters of Public Administration.

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Yes OB that is a good option, they have thrown the JCB away, and are now using the Hymac to dig a deeper hole

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Nah, BN. You know those excavators they use in open-cast mines, well, I think NFDC have had to call one of those in. Something very wrong and very serious is going on at NFDC. I can't help thinking that the police are going to have to become involved in this affair at some point. Like I have said in an earlier post, the LGO only deals with matters of Public Administration - that is their remit. I might PM you when I've seen the letter Annette has received from NFDC and compare notes.

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Tried to pm my email to Annette but her box is full, the mole off Thunderbirds couldn't drill as deep as these muppets have dug themselves.

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The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!

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Tried to pm my email to Annette but her box is full, the mole off Thunderbirds couldn't drill as deep as these muppets have dug themselves.

 

I don't think even The Mole from Thunderbirds could dig deep enough, such is the depths to which NFDC have gone.

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