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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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No it is not legal nor right, Unfair Terms and Conditions in Contracts for a start, and very much against the OFT Guidelines in Debt Collecting - so report each company to the OFT and Trading Standards, if everyone on this thread who had an LBL (I never had one but have been helping on the advice side) did it they would have to act, also go to the Credit Services Association, FOS, FSA and the Information Commissioners Office.

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Hi Sillygirl,

 

I agree. Everyone just seems to talk about it on here how many make calls.

 

I didn't have a LBL but they still took my car.

 

Have you read my message about RITA 2000 did your bailiffs have authority under RITA if not they had no legal right of entry nor the right to put your property under surveillance to locate the car

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I replyed to templer stating I would call the police if they attend my house .Then at 11.30 pm they emailed to say its on hold till my complaint is reveiwed .I did not complained. I told them i knew they had been working with log book loans in the past.That cc collects did not have a credit licence.

From Micheal Browns thread

The OFT told Money Box that a firm which carries on business under a name not specified in the licence is committing an offence.

All my emails have been forwarded to OFT Trading Standards and a few others plus my local MP.

they can get away with 1800s laws .

(then maybe they should use the old hanging law on them .)

 

 

 

 

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I would phone the police and report it stolen, especially as they have no licence, no court order and no authority to take the vehicle.

 

Then get onto your insurance company and tell them what has happened.

 

Then get onto the OFT/Trading Standards, local MP

 

How much have you repaid on the original loan? Did it include insurances and deposits.

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Insurances and deposits????

 

I am reporting it stolen to the police and going to let my insurance know!

 

I will also let the oft know as well.

 

Any advice I would be very greatful.

 

They used a company called anglia to remove my car, they didn't know on the door as the had a key. Just started it up and drive it away

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That tells it all - had they knocked you would have been able to inform them they had no rights, so they took the 'law' into their own hands.

 

By reporting it to your insurance company as stolen they would run into problems selling it quickly, and they would not be able to sell it with outstanding finance on it unless it was 'via the back door'.

 

Double whammy to them.

 

Can you also prove that the vehicle was mostly used to transport you to-from your normal place of work, if so it can be classed as a 'work vehicle' and again gives them no right to take it.

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You can also go to the nearest court and lodge an application against them, asking them to appear to explain why they took what was clearly a works vehicle, thereby depriving you of vital income and putting you into real and actual hardship.

 

Lay it on thick, after all they are completely up the wall at the moment and are trying to redeem themselves.

 

Phone the OFT and report this to them, tell them that you need it added to the Logbook Loans file and the file of the company who took your vehicle.

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I would like to add that I personally do not drive nor own a vehicle but am giving advice here as I have a bit of a 'legal' head at times (all info gleaned from this site) and have had no personal dealings with Logbook Loans.

 

I do know others who have had, and who have quickly managed to get out of their clutches due to advice from this site.

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You have to read through some of the threads here - I do not do the 'chapter and verse' legal side, I give general advice.

 

If you want 'case law' on Logbook Loans you should really post a new thread on it. Far more knowledgable people will come onboard then. I would post it in the Legal section of this forum.

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I have posted the OFT email about the attestation issue and LBL won that so that point cant be used.

I have not come across one case that the BOS has been void. Not one.

 

Unfortunately some of the posts on here are not correct with ref the BOS unfortunately.

 

Please point me in the right direction here

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I have posted the OFT email about the attestation issue and LBL won that so that point cant be used.

I have not come across one case that the BOS has been void. Not one.

 

Unfortunately some of the posts on here are not correct with ref the BOS unfortunately.

 

Please point me in the right direction here

 

I don't know the full facts but when intake into account that my car was removed this morning under the name of cc collections and not logbook loans I'd say that they lost

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I have a lot of knowledge on this subject I have just taken them on myself and was one of the witnesses for the OFT.

 

There is no case ref that have removed the BOS that I have seen.

Even the OFT lost that against them. I have read the case ref they used in the appeal and all the judgments that came from the Appeal.

 

The OFT are asking for people to take on their own challenge to see if there is success on the subject.

 

Please read the post from the OFT a direct response to my question.

 

Is the BOS void on the attestation issue answer No. That was the outcome of the Upper Tribunal judgment over riding the First Tier Judgment.

It is all on this thread

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I would not go down that route myself... there are other options to take.

 

I would also start a separate thread on this so more people would join in. You could title it Logbook Loans take vehicle after official closure of co....

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