andrew hart/hartinvestments/paydayoverdraft.com/Wage Payments and Payday Loans Ltd - claimform - PDL i know nothing about - scam? **Claim Discontinued**

[BRIGADIER2JCS]

I didn't know you are a famous footballer:madgrin:

[knigget]

I noticed how he has'nt included ALL the email corrispondence's from Day one.

Just make sure you include it all in your defence.....This guy is going to lose Big time..I would actually call into your local police station and explain your situation..this apears to me as demanding money with menaces.i.e. making or trying to make you fearful of going to court and trying to use it as a weapon to gain from you...

[unclebulgaria67]

24 pages of this forum, but have you actually got anywhere with this ?

 

If I were in this situation, being chased for a loan I had never taken out, then I would go to the Police and ask them to look into it.

 

Have you ever had a loan with a company that might have sold it on to the lot who are chasing it ? If the answer is no, then this could well be a case of identity theft .

 

I find this all very odd !!!!!!!!

 

I have questioned the OP as to why have not reported to the Police without any answer.

[ScarletPimpernel]

Hi guys

 

It doesn't throw a lot of light however I've personally spoken with AH thrice. There appears to be no other personnel and his land line is virtual. My judgement is that his ball is bigger than his brain but I do not wish to be CAGBotted again o gvdl!

 

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v

 

I do not envy you the conversations.

 

I suspect that AH sees himself as some sort of thrusting entrepreneur. but I suspect his ambition is greater than his ability. His 'payday blacklist' website (there's a link on an earlier page), demonstrates a risible and most un-businesslike approach, which his 'evidence' appears to corroborate.

 

Anyway, it is clear that he must be put to strict proof in respect of the dates of the various activities on his records, not to mention his 'staff'.

[teaboy2]

Hi teaboy

 

Is that like getting married and pledging that you won't shag your bruver's missus; but were you so to do you could get an injunction so that noone said what you did.

 

x

 

v

 

Lol yeah i guess it is.

[ScarletPimpernel]

I find this all very odd !!!!!!!!

 

I have questioned the OP as to why have not reported to the Police without any answer.

 

I recall that I suggested reporting the facts to Insp Knacker on page one or two.

[teaboy2]

I find this all very odd !!!!!!!!

 

I have questioned the OP as to why have not reported to the Police without any answer.

 

Well to be honest the police probably won't get involved due to the on going court proceedings.

[ads_uk]

I find this all very odd !!!!!!!!

 

I have questioned the OP as to why have not reported to the Police without any answer.

 

Post number 66 -

Police have stated that as no funds have been taken from me or attempt to take goods then it is not a criminal matter and I should contact Consumer Direct / Trading standards.

The track and trace thingy werent working yesterday but just checked and:

[unclebulgaria67]

Well to be honest the police probably won't get involved due to the on going court proceedings.

 

Of course they will. A criminal matter will always overide any civil matter. There is nothing to stop the Police looking into whether the OP is the victim of some form of fraud,

[ScarletPimpernel]

If it is fraud, then AH may also be a victim. Though, of course, his system will have built in processes to prevent it. Won't it?

[knigget]

An affidavit is a formal sworn statement of fact, signed by the author, who is called the affiant or deponent, and witnessed as to the authenticity of the affiant's signature by a taker of oaths, such as a notary public or commissioner of oaths. The name is Medieval Latin for he has declared upon oath. An affidavit is a type of verified statement or showing, or in other words, it contains a verification, meaning it is under oath or penalty of perjury, and this serves as evidence to its veracity and is required for court proceedings.

Also an unrebutted affidavit stands as truth in law.. I know... I am using them against our friends at Cabot..hehehehehe

[unclebulgaria67]

So ads_uk an alleged attempt to extort money from you is not a criminal matter the Police would be interested in. I suggest that you get back down the Police station with all the information and ask them to reconsider the matter.

 

I believe at one time the Police said that the MP's expenses issue was not a criminal matter, but there are now four behind bars.

[teaboy2]

So ads_uk an alleged attempt to extort money from you is not a criminal matter the Police would be interested in. I suggest that you get back down the Police station with all the information and ask them to reconsider the matter.

 

I believe at one time the Police said that the MP's expenses issue was not a criminal matter, but there are now four behind bars.

 

Uncle - Ads main concern right now is the court case, not providing statements to the police, and the police, even if a criminal matter, will not intervene whilst it is being dealt with at civil court. And as no money has been taken from ADS, then the only claim he has got is attempted fraud and harassment which the police will deem as a civil matter since the claim for the debt being owed, and counter claim from ads for harassment, is being handled by the civil court.

 

Yes once Ads wins in court, then its time to report it to the police like he should have done earlier. But not right now when he has a court case to win.

[coledog]

I agree with Teaboy - we have been through the police options, pages ago. Trading Standards want to look at it but cannot until the court matter is sorted It is this ejeet and his ridiculous claim that we have to deal with at the moment

 

It has always been my theory that ads did apply to some loan companies and brokers online and possibly gave out personal details thinking that a loan was forthcoming. However, no loan or agreement was actually issued by Mr Hart or his associates and that is the point.

[unclebulgaria67]

Won't the civil court be interested if the Police have started to investigate the matter ? Could they adjourn pending such investigation. What if they uncovered information that was helpful to the OP.

 

I think I would be tackling this on both fronts.

[teaboy2]

Uncle read post 490

 

"Police have stated that as no funds have been taken from me or attempt to take goods then it is not a criminal matter and I should contact Consumer Direct / Trading standards.

The track and trace thingy weren't working yesterday but just checked and:"

 

Also a civil court can not decide on criminal matters so such investigation will not change the evidence being presented to the civil court judge by the defendant or the claimant, and a civil court can only judge on the evidence presented and on reasonable probability. this case is creditor claiming against alleged debtor not criminal (Hart) defending against the crown prosecution service, or debtor claiming against the creditor.

 

As the claimant is claiming against the debtor, then its for them to prove the debtor owed the money, not for the debtor to prove that he/she did not and the claimant was attempting to defraud them. That's a job for the Police to do, but there's no point reporting them yet until the civil court decides in the Ads favor - why? Because if they by some miracle they rule against ads, then ads could be charged himself for wasting police time (and other charges) and also sued by Mr hart too.

[The Philster]

This is the first thread i`ve read through since joining this site a few hours ago! Unbelievable this guy is unreal! Keep up the good work guys and an girls Wish there was something i could do to help.

[coledog]

This is the first thread i`ve read through since joining this site a few hours ago! Unbelievable this guy is unreal! Keep up the good work guys and an girls Wish there was something i could do to help.

 

 

It is belter - welcome to the Ads fan club

[unclebulgaria67]

Having read through the thread, the question is whether the account the alleged loan was paid into has any note of a transaction. Every transaction to an account, in or out, have unique transaction numbers attached to them. So if this company transfered a sum of money from their account to the Halifax as has been suggested, then Halifax can provide a fully detailed statement for the period. By statement I don't mean the statement you normally receive, which is just a summary, but the actual details of the transactions, which includes the details of where any deposits have come from. This is what ADS needs to get hold of. This information is key, as it could totally disprove the claimants allegation that money was transfered to ADS account.

[mommy3]

WOW....only just joined and have been addicted to reading this thread..!!

 

Thoroughly impressed with all the advice and comfort given to ads...makes me glad that i've joined...

 

ads..you have got another member of your fan club..i wish you all the best on your forthcoming court case.

 

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[BRIGADIER2JCS]

Welcome to CAG.

[teaboy2]

Having read through the thread, the question is whether the account the alleged loan was paid into has any note of a transaction. Every transaction to an account, in or out, have unique transaction numbers attached to them. So if this company transfered a sum of money from their account to the Halifax as has been suggested, then Halifax can provide a fully detailed statement for the period. By statement I don't mean the statement you normally receive, which is just a summary, but the actual details of the transactions, which includes the details of where any deposits have come from. This is what ADS needs to get hold of. This information is key, as it could totally disprove the claimants allegation that money was transfered to ADS account.

 

Yes but a summary statement would prove he did not receive an amount of the amount in question on the date in question either, and it will likely say who payments were from etc. So that itself is also proof.

[unclebulgaria67]

Teaboy

 

The Halifax can provide this info. Shouldn't cost anything as it is a query. If ADS goes to them and says that a company has alleged that a payment was transfered to his account on x date, perhaps Halifax can check a month either side of the date and provide ADS with a letter as back up to say that a payment was not received. Help is not a competition. It is up to ADS what he does. Having worked in financial services for over 20 years, I have some knowledge of how accounts work. My reading of the thread suggested that ADS had not looked into this sufficiently with Halifax and was just looking at the statements.

[teaboy2]

Teaboy

 

The Halifax can provide this info. Shouldn't cost anything as it is a query. If ADS goes to them and says that a company has alleged that a payment was transfered to his account on x date, perhaps Halifax can check a month either side of the date and provide ADS with a letter as back up to say that a payment was not received. Help is not a competition. It is up to ADS what he does. Having worked in financial services for over 20 years, I have some knowledge of how accounts work. My reading of the thread suggested that ADS had not looked into this sufficiently with Halifax and was just looking at the statements.

 

Oh absolutely, i wasn't disagreeing with you Uncle, just pointing out that his normal bank statement would also show when the money was paid in if it was paid in and by who. Also i do not see us as being in a competition Uncle, but simply in a constructive debate.

[BRIGADIER2JCS]

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