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    • I've given it a try, I expect alot of work required so will give my eyes and brain a rest as I'm getting word blind.. and I'll come back later following your initial bashings Thanks IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;   I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. 1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. 4. The Claimant claims a Notice of Assignment was served on the 22/02/2022. This is denied. 5. The Claimant claims a Default Notice was served on the defendant. This is denied. 6. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 7. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. 8. Point 3 is noted and denied. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 9. Point 5 is noted and disputed. 10. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked *** The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 11. Point 11 is noted and disputed. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. 12. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** (dates are wrong) 13. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 14. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. Conclusion 15. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 16. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 17. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter into settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter into such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment. Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
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Hi. As the title suggests, I have a letter from triton regarding a combined debt

from an overdraft and a loan I had with RBS.

 

 

This is my largest debt which I obviously cannot pay.

 

 

I'm not sure what to do with this because a cca request doesn't seem appropriate.

 

 

Thanks for reading. Paul.

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Did you agree for and sign the new Agreement combining these debts? If not, then you can indeed still send a CCA request as this will cover the loan, however, if you want to you could also send the 'prove it' letter, because you do not recognise this 'new' account. It is their mistake and it is one of the opinions on here that means they have terminated both debts, leaving neither one legally enforceable as there is no Agreement.

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Thanks HS, I'm thinking about sending the 'prove it' letter and see how it goes. I think they will be able to prove it quite easily though. If/when they do prove it, is it still ok for me to request the cca?

edit-No I didn't sign anything for these two debts to be combined.

 

Hi. No cca arrived so I sent the dispute letter. Now moorcroft have sent me a letter. 'It is a legal requirement to send a notice of intended litigation before legal proceedings are issued. We believe that this letter fulfils this requirement even if it is not actually read by you'. :???: It then goes on to say what terrible things will happen if I don't pay up. I think maybe triton have passed this on asap before I put the account into dispute.

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Hi. No cca arrived so I sent the dispute letter. Now moorcroft have sent me a letter. 'It is a legal requirement to send a notice of intended litigation before legal proceedings are issued. W believe that this letter fulfils this requirement even if it is not actually read by you'. :???: It then goes on to say what terrible things will happen if I don't pay up. I think maybe triton have passed this on asap before I put the account into dispute.

 

Hi paul

Maybe the letters have crossed but that's not really your problem, throw the bemused letter at Moorcroft and let the stew

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/content.php?426-A-letter-when-the-account-has-been-passed-to-another-debt-collection-agency

 

Good luck

R

[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I asked them to wait whilst I got my Bank card :violin:

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Information that may help if a CCA request is refused due to the lack of a signature . . http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?248863-Signature-demands-fight-back-possible-!&highlight=

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Hi. No cca arrived so I sent the dispute letter. Now moorcroft have sent me a letter. 'It is a legal requirement to send a notice of intended litigation before legal proceedings are issued. We believe that this letter fulfils this requirement even if it is not actually read by you'. :???: It then goes on to say what terrible things will happen if I don't pay up. I think maybe triton have passed this on asap before I put the account into dispute.

 

Well, that’s rubbish. It’s not a legal requirement to send an LBA – but you would not please a judge if you failed to do so.

 

Just proves that you are dealing with an alien life form. Or a village idiots’ convention.

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Thanks. The letter will be on it's way today. Does it matter if it's a legal requirement since they don't care if I have read it or not? 'We believe that this letter fulfils this requirement even if it is not actually read by you'. That is the most stupid thing I've read from a dca yet.

 

I don't think there is any point in sending the bemused letter now. I received my cca from rbs this morning and it is valid. Everything is correct and signed. :frown: Should I offer moorcroft a monthly payment? They already included their details with their letter so I can set up a standing order.

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Hi. Moorcroft must be certain of getting their money because they appear to have splashed out on some new stationary. I got a lovely letter from them today in a beautiful yellow envelope. They are using a new font too! Unfortunatly it's the same old threats. If I don't contact them by the 19th they will assume I am avoiding the debt and may recommend to RBS to start legal action. They have sent a valid cca so can anyone help me put a letter together to offer them £10 a month? I reckon 10 quid was about the amount that was coming off the credit card after the charges were applied. Thanks.

 

I forgot to add, Is it possible to claim back charges in a case like this. Many thanks. Paul

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Well, that’s rubbish. It’s not a legal requirement to send an LBA – but you would not please a judge if you failed to do so.

 

Just proves that you are dealing with an alien life form. Or a village idiots’ convention.

 

Please do not impugn honest village idiots by likening them to Moorcrap. :madgrin:

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I forgot to add, Is it possible to claim back charges in a case like this. Many thanks. Paul

 

yes + int at THEIR rate##

 

go get 'em

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi, I've heard nothing for a few weeks until today. Wescot are now on the scene demanding the full amount. Should I send the 'prove it' letter to them?

 

I wrote to moorcr@p offering £10 per month. Todays post (drum roll) ... 'As we have not received any communication from you with regards to your account, we feel that you may not be in a position to meet our requests to clear the amount in full...) etc. They go on to say they are willing to accept £120 per month and they will save me the wrath of the gods, and rbs solicitors. The letter was sent in that lovely 'lemon' yellow envolope again. I'm just going to go ahead and set up the standing order for £10 and see what happens.

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Yes and yes :) on the grounds I send everything recorded

DCA's - they have the same power as an infinite number of untrained chimps working on a script for Hamlet, but the chimps would probably at least get it right :D

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Well, I went ahead and set up a standing order for just £5 per month and they wrote to me today saying that they are willing to accept £5 per month for the next 550 months. I'll be in a care home by then! Oh well, you cant put brains where there never was any! I'm considering this debt as dealt with so thank you to all who gave advice. :-)

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Thanks Elsa, I was thinking the same thing. This will be my first sar request so it will be interesting to say the least. I really wouldn't like to guess how much I'll be able to claim back. Is the interest I can claim just the amount that has built up on the charges or the total interest?

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Thank you. I don't think there will be a huge amount to claim back then. Also, there was no ppi on this account. But what little I can claim back would offset the balance, so it would also knock a considerable amount of time off the 550 months!

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