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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Uneasy said - "I have another issue with the salesman mis selling. However, this is verbal and would require evidence from my witness the student and Barclays witness the salesman. Their defence would be that Advent’s salesman was being mischievous.,p/>I think the mis-selling is a strong point for us. It's worth researching on CompTIA, Microsoft and other IT qualification websites as to exactly when your exams on your course were due to expire/ be retired by Microsft (were you sold a qualification that would soon be redundant in the industry?), and were they even relevant? I found out I could have bypassed the MCSE and done the CIW design certification without it, so I was mis-sold a whole chunk of a course I did not need for the field I wanted to go into. The Microsoft A+ Essentials exams 220-601 and 220-602 (mainstream support for Windows Server 2003 MCSA) were retired in July 2010. Microsoft were already advising students in Nov 2009 apparently that the MCSA exam was due to be replaced.Author of the CompTIA study books used by Advent, Mike Meyers, comments on the ‘Go Certify’ website (http://www.gocertify.com/article/meyers-aplus.shtml) that the A+ is the “first certification to get for those wishing to embark in a career in PC repair. Of course, it seems no one stays as just a PC tech. As a tech's skills grow he tends to move up and out into more advanced aspects of the IT world: network administration, network infrastructure, management. The list is potentially long, but those who want to enter the IT world via the classic, entry-level PC tech position will find the A+ a welcome addition to their resumes.” (Emphasis mine). As further proof, I tried one of the free tests for the CIW Designer certificate on the ‘Pass it Now’ website (http://www.passitnow.com/ciw1.html) which allows would-be students to test their current IT knowledge on actual past exam questions to assess if a particular certificate is above/below their skill level before committing. I scored a pass mark, proving I didn't need the first certificate (which Advent salesman insisted I had to pass first). CIW sell their course packs and an exam voucher direct to the public on their own website. I could have just taken that and put myself in for the exam independantly.So were we being talked into doing modules and certificates we didn't need and would be useless in the real world? Worth you looking into this, plus of course the 'sign up quick or lose your place' pressure letter everyone was sent!

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My case is a guarantor for the student. As a matter of interestlink3.gif, my agreement states ‘This is a Credit Agreement regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974. Sign it only if you want to be legally bound by its terms’, this is also repeated on the top of the Agreement form. According to the Ombudsmanlink3.gif’s final decision this cannot apply as the debtor-creditor-supplier relationship has not been created. So why put it on?

 

It isn't that the agreement isn't valid, or that it isn't bound by the consumer credit act, it is that section 75 of the consumer credit act (the bit that makes barclays liable for any breaches of contract or misrep on the part of advent) does not apply. Most of the rest of the consumer credit act will apply to the agreement.

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what about the fact being we didnot deal directly with BPF, the loan part of the agreement was dealt by Advent, we didnot see any of the money, either cash or on the debit card nor did we see any of BPF rep, so now we have no course because advent is no more there and hence for BPF to recover or whatever the money is to dealt with advent , because I believe it was arrange in such a way to begin with so they (BPF) IMO must chase advent to get their money not us(Student), any thoughts ?

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Mis-selling is still a serious breach of the law, but in my case I was investigating any written evidence that may be more easily accepted in defence.

 

A decision by the Ombudsman not to accept the extended termination period agreed by the salesman at the time has made me review the early letters received. I notice from a letter sent from BPF dated 22nd December 2009 (strange as I didn’t sign the agreement until the 23rd December 2009) states ‘You have 5 days starting with the day after you receive this notice’. The letter was received on the 4th January 2010, which takes us to the 10th January 2010 to cancel. According to the Advent web site at the time from a copy I took states ‘Funding from enrolments through Barclays made since the 9th January 2010 has been retained by Barclays and NOT forwarded to Advent’. Would it not have been prudent for Barclays to withhold advancing payments to Advent until after the cancellation deadline. In that case no money would have been forwarded. Just a thought.

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what about a few of us swearing affidavits confirming the misselling? has that been thought about?

 

someone a while back mentioned that she was prepared to take a lie detector test.. I thought that was extreamely good idea

 

anyone for Jeramy Kyle.. dont tick the box for a DNA test.. it could be maury who is the dad

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Hi Guys

I take you have all been reading about the riots and that people have had the homes burned down?

 

well one woman in Tottenam whose home was burned down and bulldozed had this done

She called her bank.. The Woolwich asking is she could have a 2 month payment holiday.. the bank said no when she mentioned that her home no longer existed because its been bulldozed down could they not take this into account.. the bank said this makes no difference.. you owe us the money so you must pay.. does this sound familiar? well it should because guess who owns The Woolwich bank..

 

.. yes you guessed it.. lets have another round of applause for our friends at Barclays.. well done for yet another own goal in market PR

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Hey everyone. I know its gone quiet on here but has anyone had any luck. I have recieved no contact from any debt collectors or barclays for a few months again. I have just been reading some posts on facebook and there is someone saying they have had their debt cleared. Apparently they got a solicitor Bartletts who contacted the ombudsman and now the person who posted this has recieved a letter from barclays saying they are offering to clear their debt. Fuzzbutt any updates or your court date or owt. Fuzzbutt your part of the facebook group that this has been posted on.

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Hey everyone. I know its gone quiet on here but has anyone had any luck. I have recieved no contact from any debt collectors or barclays for a few months again. I have just been reading some posts on facebook and there is someone saying they have had their debt cleared. Apparently they got a solicitor Bartletts who contacted the ombudsman and now the person who posted this has recieved a letter from barclays saying they are offering to clear their debt. Fuzzbutt any updates or your court date or owt. Fuzzbutt your part of the facebook group that this has been posted on.

 

I dont use facebook so I have not seen what you wrote about.

 

I would be very suspicious of barclays offer to write of debts.. its not in their nature to do so, usually when they do something its because they are made to do it, and to date the Ombudsman has been squarely on the side of barclays so I wonder what has happened.

 

Please take note that in early 90's when last recession had taken hold many people could no longer afford to pay the loans on their houses, they gave their house keys to the banks and the banks sold them on to get money back on the loans.. years later when things had settled the banks were back claiming that the loan was still in force and that payments were still due and was making them pay what ever they could towards the loans... we need to learn from history.. never trust banks.. specially when they are smiling

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I'm not sure what to make of the Facebook claim - I've asked the guy to give us more info as what he said is a bit sketchy. Apparently his solicitor got him out of his loan somehow, but he didn't explain on what grounds/arguments used (which would be helpful).The FB group is 'Advent Sca*med Us' if anyone wants to search for it via google.

I've had BPF's defence document now that they provided to the court to counter my claim - much of the same bull they supplied to FOS, pleading that they provided the 'bespoke' courses and we were all told about them. Don't know about anyone else but I wasn't informed by BPF or CT about the arrangement and lots of people on FB responded likewise when I asked if anyone had received notification and details of the new terms and conditions, or the new course breakdown. I didn't find out until months later and too late to take up the offer (even if I'd wanted to).

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I'm not sure what to make of the Facebook claim - I've asked the guy to give us more info as what he said is a bit sketchy. Apparently his solicitor got him out of his loan somehow, but he didn't explain on what grounds/arguments used (which would be helpful).The FB group is 'Advent Sca*med Us' if anyone wants to search for it via google.

I've had BPF's defence document now that they provided to the court to counter my claim - much of the same bull they supplied to FOS, pleading that they provided the 'bespoke' courses and we were all told about them. Don't know about anyone else but I wasn't informed by BPF or CT about the arrangement and lots of people on FB responded likewise when I asked if anyone had received notification and details of the new terms and conditions, or the new course breakdown. I didn't find out until months later and too late to take up the offer (even if I'd wanted to).

 

Hi Fuzzbutt

I seem to only remember a letter in march from BPF informing me that they had found a new training company for me to continue studies.. the rest of the letter was telling me they would again start taking money from my account.

 

I do not remember seeing/reading any terms and conditions so no new contract etc.. though I do remember (will have to check) about extra 3 months study time.

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I had just one letter too, 10pack, from CT introducing me to the new course (which they refused to supply me details of without me verifying my details - i.e signing up to them!).The first mention I saw of the bespoke arrangement was on CT website in an announcement in October, 7 months later. I'm using the dismal failure in communication between CT/BPF and the students in my defence (which I have to submit to the court next week).

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I had just one letter too, 10pack, from CT introducing me to the new course (which they refused to supply me details of without me verifying my details - i.e signing up to them!).The first mention I saw of the bespoke arrangement was on CT website in an announcement in October, 7 months later. I'm using the dismal failure in communication between CT/BPF and the students in my defence (which I have to submit to the court next week).

 

Good Luck next week

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Thanks 10pack - will get an actual hearing date pretty soon after submission of evidence I hope. Small claim is supposed to be fast track - I just want it over now.

 

Good Luck Fuzz, I've been just keeping an eye to see how you get on and I truly hope you get them good and the Judge sees it for what we all know it to be.

Also Good Luck to anyone else doing the same. I'm not up to date with the thread.

I just feel screwed so am ignoring everyone and everything. Haven't found a light at the end of the tunnel still wallowing around in the dark alone. Truth is I gave up. it's made me ill.

I never hated anything with as much vengeance as I do this Bank.

Thanks too to you guys for keeping the thread going I keep hoping we'll hear of someone winning. I really hope you win Fuzz that would be great news and I'd like to thank you for everything

you have done along the way I'll look in again soon and will be sending good wishes your way as I'm sure everyone will be right behind you. :biggrin:

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Good Luck Fuzz, I've been just keeping an eye to see how you get on and I truly hope you get them good and the Judge sees it for what we all know it to be.

Also Good Luck to anyone else doing the same. I'm not up to date with the thread.

I just feel screwed so am ignoring everyone and everything. Haven't found a light at the end of the tunnel still wallowing around in the dark alone. Truth is I gave up. it's made me ill.

I never hated anything with as much vengeance as I do this Bank.

Thanks too to you guys for keeping the thread going I keep hoping we'll hear of someone winning. I really hope you win Fuzz that would be great news and I'd like to thank you for everything

you have done along the way I'll look in again soon and will be sending good wishes your way as I'm sure everyone will be right behind you. :biggrin:

 

Thanks guys.

Keep your chin up, Bluedo! Could be light at the end of the tunnel for everyone if I win (which I'm confident of doing - have a pile of good evidence), even for those of you in the guarantors situation.

I'll let everyone know the court date when I get one.

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I really hope you pull this off Fuzz, the financial aspect of things is really starting to hit me and family now and the £6000 spent on the course could really be put to good use elsewhere now.

 

Good luck from my whole family and me.

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Good Luck Fuzz, I've been just keeping an eye to see how you get on and I truly hope you get them good and the Judge sees it for what we all know it to be.

Also Good Luck to anyone else doing the same. I'm not up to date with the thread.

I just feel screwed so am ignoring everyone and everything. Haven't found a light at the end of the tunnel still wallowing around in the dark alone. Truth is I gave up. it's made me ill.

I never hated anything with as much vengeance as I do this Bank.

Thanks too to you guys for keeping the thread going I keep hoping we'll hear of someone winning. I really hope you win Fuzz that would be great news and I'd like to thank you for everything

you have done along the way I'll look in again soon and will be sending good wishes your way as I'm sure everyone will be right behind you. :biggrin:

 

I'm exactly feeling same. GOOD LUCK FUZZ.

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