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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
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Hi Guys..we have been here before. About four years ago I CCA Ruthbridge about a debt that they said I owed Hillesdens.

Cut a long story short, heard nothing more from Ruthbridge and had a Deafult logged against my file nearly 5 years ago by Hillesdens (I thought the CCA to Ruthbridge would stop any such action)

Anyway, today received a letter from Aplins stating that I need to contact Hillesden about an alleged debt in that if I do not reach full payment or arrange an agreement within 7 days legal proceeding may be commenced.

Now then...

Im just about to send Hillesdens the same CCA I sent Ruthbridge regarding the same alledged debt.

Once they receive this surely this can no longer go to Court as this is in dispute (it was originally over 5 years ago when I sent the original CCA)??

 

Please help!!!!

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Sounds to me like they are trying to frighten you into paying or acknowledging the debt just before it becomes stat barred.

 

Not too sure about the CCA thing, I thought that if they couldn't provide a valid CCA then the account was in dispute and they could do no more with it until they found your agreement.

 

I am sure somebody will advise you further soon.

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Sounds to me like they are trying to frighten you into paying or acknowledging the debt just before it becomes stat barred.

 

Not too sure about the CCA thing, I thought that if they couldn't provide a valid CCA then the account was in dispute and they could do no more with it until they found your agreement.

 

I am sure somebody will advise you further soon.

 

Cheers.. a CCA is on its way and also a copy sent to Aplins solicitors. Heard nothing from anyone for 5 years and now this. The default ends in Dec 2011 but would have thought that the initial debt itself was statute barred anyway as Im sure MBNA sold Hillesdens the debt over six years ago

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You could have sent either the account in dispute, or prove it letters, you should not have to cca twice.

 

Well its done again now... never mind. I thought possibly that they would discount the one to Ruthbridge as they werent the holders of the account

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Hi Guys

 

Just been checking through some of my paperwork etc. The last dealings I ever had with MBNA was May 2005.

I cannot find any reference to MBNA on my credit file at all. Hillesdens actually logged a Default against my file listing the default date as Dec 2005. So we arent in statute barred territory here.

 

Id appreciate some further help guys on where to go from here. Ive been fighting to get this default off my file for so long now its really starting to get me down, coupled with the fact that Im still being chased despite 2 previous CCA's.

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Give them the 12 + 2 days to respond to your CCA request. If they cannot produce it, then send them account in dispute letter.

 

Make sure you send everything by recorded or special delivery (so you can track when they were signed for) and NEVER sign anything, always print your name.

 

If they cannot produce your CCA, and you have not acknowledged the debt, then in May 2011 (assuming this was the last time you either paid or acknowledeged) your account should be statute barred.

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Give them the 12 + 2 days to respond to your CCA request. If they cannot produce it, then send them account in dispute letter.

 

Make sure you send everything by recorded or special delivery (so you can track when they were signed for) and NEVER sign anything, always print your name.

 

If they cannot produce your CCA, and you have not acknowledged the debt, then in May 2011 (assuming this was the last time you either paid or acknowledeged) your account should be statute barred.

 

This is where Im a bit concerned. Back in 2006 I was threatened by Hillesdens that they would send baillifs round to my mothers house if I didnt pay them (I had just come out of a divorce and moved back to my mothers). Regardless of their tactics I paid what I could (jobless) until I found out some info in here. Ive actually paid them in the region of £700.

Do I take it that if this account is in dispute etc and cannot be legally enforced (failure to produce relevant douments etc) that the Default should never have been logged against me?? How would this be removed? After 6 years of the default date?>

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Not too sure where you will stand here. By making payment ine 2006, you have in effect acknowledged the debt.

 

Did you CCA them prior to making the payments in 2006?

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Not too sure where you will stand here. By making payment ine 2006, you have in effect acknowledged the debt.

 

Did you CCA them prior to making the payments in 2006?

 

I didnt even know about this group let alone CCA them then. I was advised on here that regardless of any payment to them it is not neccessarily acknowledged and any payment could be returned to me if they fail to supply any documentation for this debt. By the time I saw this site, Ruthbridge were being their usual threatening self, so they were CCA'd, also sent them notice of any attempt to go near my mothers property would be seen as trespass and that any more calls would be recorded and logged as harrasment. Heard nothing more till 2 weeks ago. That was then.. so why has it been left till now, if Hillesdens thought they could pursue?

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They are just trying their luck. For every 100 of these unenforceable debts they try to enforce, maybe 80% will panic and pay.

 

Just sit tight and wait for their response to your CCA request. If nothing is forthcoming, then send them the account in dispute letter.

 

You have to give these firms credit for trying. I got a letter the other day for an account which has been in dispute since 2008. Its the 4th dca that has attempted to collect on it since it went into dispute :eek:

 

Without that CCA, there is not a great deal they can do, and then you are in the position of power. If you chose to pay it, it is on your terms, if you refuse to acknoweldge the debt it is their tough luck ;)

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There's nothing to stop them making a claim which you would have to defend or apply to have it struck out. Actually there are provisions to stop people making loads of vexatious claims but I don't think they would apply here.

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There's nothing to stop them making a claim which you would have to defend or apply to have it struck out. Actually there are provisions to stop people making loads of vexatious claims but I don't think they would apply here.

 

I see. Would part of my defence include the fact that both DLC and Ruthbridge were CCA'd without reply (over 4 years ago) and that Hillesdens have also been CCA'd?

 

Sorry I sound very ignorant here. I would guess that the next steps would be to defend any court claim as soon as I receive it and continue with the current CCA route with Hillesdens (clock still counting down to the 12 days).

 

The debt would be statutue barred come May 2011 and the default should be removed DEC 2011 (even though I still feel that they didnt lawfully add it in the first place). The last thing I need now is a CCJ

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If they can't supply a CCA compliant original agreement that is a very strong defence. It should be an absolute defence but some judges are a but funny.

 

Heres hoping!! Would still like to know how much they purchased this from MBNA for. The card only had a limit of £3000 yet they claim that the debt is over £4000. To be perfectly honest, if they bought the debt for say £1500 I would, under special circumstances of default removed etc and no acknowledgement of the debt, be willing to pay that. Considering they have had over £700 of that already. £800 to pay.... but then I doubt they would swing for that

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Just used the Post Office track and trace to find out when this CCA was signed for (signed for 03/08/2010). Give or take a day the 12 days will be up come Friday next week. Given they have had this letter for 2 weeks Im suprised I havent even received a bog standard letter confirming the receipt.

I have had no response either regarding their original letter from Aplins, do you think they are trying to lodge a claim with the court regardless?

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Received letter from Hillesdens this morning as follows:

 

Thank you for your recent letter regarding the above account. I can confirm and advise the following:- Their letter dated 12th August

 

I acknowledge the receipt of your payment of £1 in connection with your data request under the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

We are still awaiting a copy of your original agreement and statement of account from the original lender MBNA. When these become available they will be forwarded to you (they have had five years to get this)

 

If we are unable to forward a copy of the original agreement , we will be able to supply a true copy of the document which will comply with section 77-79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. (what does this mean if they cant find a copy what is this original?)

 

We would like to draw your attention to the ruling in the case of McGuffick V RBS judgement dated 6 October 2009 in relation to "what is considered enforcement"; the judgement stated that the bringing of proceedings is not enforcement. It follows that demanding payment is a step taken prior to the commencement of proceedings and therefore not considered enforcement. We will continue to report the account status to the Credit Reference Agencies as this is also not considered as enforcement. (lost me on this)

 

Whilst we may not be able to enforce the agreement until this documentation is provided, the monies remain outstanding and the underlying obligation to repay remains intact. In view of the above judgment the account will remain with our collections department for collections activity to continue.

 

Should you require anything further at this point please contact me accordingly. I will update you on developments in 21 days if there are no further developments beforehand (21 days!!! That says to me they dont have a signed agreement and will go beyond the 12+2)

Id really appreciated some advice on this, as Im not sure where this leaves me and the legal bits and bobs I cant get my head around

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