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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Yes.

 

Many thanks for the quick clarification, and while you are in this thread, do you possible know an answer to this?

 

Thanks for the great help. Can I ask you why should I ask for pay till 11-Jan and not 14-Jan ?

 

Many thanks once again!

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Well, based on the part of the termination letter that you posted #15, I believe that they incorrectly gave you one week's notice (under suspension) instead of the one month's notice required by your contract on 25th January.

 

So, in your letter, you should claim the outstanding notice payment due to you from 1st February to 24th February inclusive

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Well, based on the part of the termination letter that you posted #15, I believe that they incorrectly gave you one week's notice (under suspension) instead of the one month's notice required by your contract on 25th January.

 

So, in your letter, you should claim the outstanding notice payment due to you from 1st February to 24th February inclusive

 

Sorry, but its even more confusing now. elpulpo suggested that I am due a payment till 11-Feb, and you have now pointed that I am due a payment till 24-Feb.

 

How are you working this out ?

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Just because the decision to dismiss you was made on 14th January it doesn't mean that employment was terminated on that date.

You already know that it wasn't because:

You continued working for them until 17th January

Took a week's paid leave from 18th - 24th (which should be shown as holiday on your payslip)

They suspended you on 25th January.

They wrote that your termination date was 31st January.

 

This is why I asked you about performance/misconduct because in a case of misconduct the dismissal decision date usually would be the termination date.

 

They wrote that they were suspending you for 7 days commencing 25th January.

To suspend you on that date you must have still been employed by them at the time.

They would be likely to argue that they consider that those 7 days were your notice period.

 

Your contract states that they are required to give you a month's notice.

Therefore, assuming that the 7 day suspension is included, they owe you the rest of the month's notice that your contract entitles you to (1st February - 24th February inclusive).

In the unlikely event that they don't agree that the suspension period is what they, incorrectly, considered to be your notice period then they owe you a whole month's notice.

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so if there is no tribunal claim EG you have realised your down £200 on wages and it was nearly 4 months since you left the company of your own volition but you didnt get paid for the last week of work?

It should still be within time to make an application to ET. The EDT, by the Employers definition was the end of Jan. So, ya should have 'til the end of April to submit an ET1.

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Sorry elpulpo, when I asked you to take a look at jimbo's post I should have let you know that jimbo isn't the OP of this thread.

I guess his query was a kind of while we on the subject can someone answer this question thing.

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Just because the decision to dismiss you was made on 14th January it doesn't mean that employment was terminated on that date.

You already know that it wasn't because:

You continued working for them until 17th January

Took a week's paid leave from 18th - 24th (which should be shown as holiday on your payslip)

They suspended you on 25th January.

They wrote that your termination date was 31st January.

 

This is why I asked you about performance/misconduct because in a case of misconduct the dismissal decision date usually would be the termination date.

 

They wrote that they were suspending you for 7 days commencing 25th January.

To suspend you on that date you must have still been employed by them at the time.

They would be likely to argue that they consider that those 7 days were your notice period.

 

Your contract states that they are required to give you a month's notice.

Therefore, assuming that the 7 day suspension is included, they owe you the rest of the month's notice that your contract entitles you to (1st February - 24th February inclusive).

In the unlikely event that they don't agree that the suspension period is what they, incorrectly, considered to be your notice period then they owe you a whole month's notice.

 

It should still be within time to make an application to ET. The EDT, by the Employers definition was the end of Jan. So, ya should have 'til the end of April to submit an ET1.

 

elpulpo, so would you also agree I should my employers for salary from 1-24 Feb inclusive as mariefab explained here?

 

Many thanks.

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I'd say that you're entitled to be paid for the one months notice you were entitled to from the date you were notified of your dismissal.

So, 4 full weeks from 14/01/10, which is up to 11/02/10.

I don't understand Mariefabs reasoning.

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I have been drafting a letter to send to my employers. Does this look fine or do I need to add anything?

 

 

Dear [CEO_NAME],

 

After my dismissal from xx on 31st January 2010, the following matters need your utmost attention:

1. Since I worked with xxx for 9 months (May 2009 – January 2010), I had accrued 3 weeks of annual holiday. I had previously consumed 2 weeks out of this and 1 week had not been used. I have not been paid for this either.

2. I had the entitlement of 1 month’s termination notice as agreed in my employment contract. Since I was given the contract termination notice on 14 January 2010, leading to my dismissal on 31 January 2010, this does not constitute 1 month’s notice. I have not been paid for this either.

It is evident that xxx owes me money. The sum owed to me is as follows:

Unpaid Notice Period

£xx

1 Week’s Holiday

£xx

Total Amount

£xx

I request an explanation as to why this amount has not been paid to me yet.

I request you to pay the monies owed to me by 13th April 2010. The sum can be debited to my bank account directly, details of which are enclosed with this letter.

I also request a final payslip detailing these amounts sent to me urgently as well as my P45 letter.

Please do not hesitate to contact me before 9 April 2010, if you need any further information in this regard.

xx

 

If I post this letter today, it should be recieved by Tuesday 6-April-2010. So I have given them time til Friday 9-April-2010 to get back to me if they any further information. I have given them time til Tuesday 13-April-2010 to pay the amount into my bank account.

 

Since my job was dismissed on 31-Jan-2010, I believe I have time till 30-April-2010 to have my Tribunal letter sent. So I have prepared the dates in this letter accordingly.

 

 

Please comment. Many thanks.

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Seems right enough.

What size is this business?

 

Currently 9-10 retail shops with about 40-50 staff most.

My final appeal hearing was also chaired by the CEO, hence addressed to him.

 

Is it all good then ?

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Just because the decision to dismiss you was made on 14th January it doesn't mean that employment was terminated on that date.

You already know that it wasn't because:

You continued working for them until 17th January

Took a week's paid leave from 18th - 24th (which should be shown as holiday on your payslip)

They suspended you on 25th January.

They wrote that your termination date was 31st January.

 

This is why I asked you about performance/misconduct because in a case of misconduct the dismissal decision date usually would be the termination date.

 

They wrote that they were suspending you for 7 days commencing 25th January.

To suspend you on that date you must have still been employed by them at the time.

They would be likely to argue that they consider that those 7 days were your notice period.

 

Your contract states that they are required to give you a month's notice.

Therefore, assuming that the 7 day suspension is included, they owe you the rest of the month's notice that your contract entitles you to (1st February - 24th February inclusive).

In the unlikely event that they don't agree that the suspension period is what they, incorrectly, considered to be your notice period then they owe you a whole month's notice.

 

Mariefab,

 

Just revisiting all the posts in this threads before posting this letter, I have stopped at your point once again, and clarifying that since my contract speaks of "Contract Termination Notice", doesnt that mean "notice to terminate my contract"?

 

Which would count from 14-January-2010 when the notice to terminate the job was announced to me?

 

This is something that has really bothered me since yesterday!

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Currently 9-10 retail shops with about 40-50 staff most.

My final appeal hearing was also chaired by the CEO, hence addressed to him.

 

Is it all good then ?

Aye. Just have to wait and see.

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Mariefab,

 

Just revisiting all the posts in this threads before posting this letter, I have stopped at your point once again, and clarifying that since my contract speaks of "Contract Termination Notice", doesnt that mean "notice to terminate my contract"?

 

Which would count from 14-January-2010 when the notice to terminate the job was announced to me?

 

This is something that has really bothered me since yesterday!

 

Just to clarify this once and for all, I have just come off the phone call to ACAS, and the gentleman pointed out that the termination notice would count a month from 14-Jan-2010 till 13-Feb-2010 in my case.

 

So, all in all, I am entitled to unpaid salary from 1-Feb-2010 to 13-Feb-2010 inclusive, plus a week's unused holiday entitlement.

 

And, since I was last paid on 29-January-2010, I can write to the Tribunal until 29-April-2010.

 

A lot of things clarified then :)!

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Makes sense.

I'd have thought it would have been 4 weeks from the 14/01/10, but if ACAS say 13/02/10 I won't argue. It's 2 extra days, after all!

 

Its being worked to 13-Feb since it is 1 month's notice (not 4 weeks')...

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Makes sense.

I'd have thought it would have been 4 weeks from the 14/01/10, but if ACAS say 13/02/10 I won't argue. It's 2 extra days, after all!

 

Thanks for pointing my silly mistake. Would not look good if they debited my account with that money. :-)

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