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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Fantastic - good for you! That's very encouraging as we have just had our claim acknowledged yesterday by the Nationwide. Ours is for £7k incl. interest so it's great to see someone with a bigger claim getting paid :)

 

So did you suceed???

 

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Got mine back too !! Only £479 but it's fab . The bad news is they have notified me that they are closing ALL my accounts at the end of the month . Just sent a letter to the Banking Ombudsman to complain . Thanks to all who helped . I will be donating ! Lizj

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Just sent a letter to the Banking Ombudsman to complain . Thanks to all who helped . I will be donating ! Lizj

 

Hi Lizj

First complain to the CEO Nationwide he already knows about the ruling of FOS and A&L, cos I informed him>

His email address is:

Philip Williamsom

[email protected]

or if you want to write

 

Nationwide Head Office in Swindon

Nationwide Building Society

Nationwide House

Pipers Way

Swindon

SN38 1NW

 

Then inform Miles Chapman at "WHICH" [email protected]

 

This is the reply to the letter I sent to him about Nationwide

 

Many thanks for this information.

We've suspected that some banks are taking this action, and to be frank it's appalling.

Thanks for the 'heads up' it's really helpful.

 

Kind Regards,

Miles Chapman

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Thank you for your reply . I have already written to the Banking Ombudsman and to Which . Do you think I ought to write to Nationwide as well ? I did ring them when they wrote to close my accounts and was told " It is Nationwide's policy to close the acounts of anyone who takes us to court " Sounds like retaliation to me !!

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[quote name='lizj']Thank you for your reply . I have already written to the Banking Ombudsman and to Which . Do you think I ought to write to Nationwide as well ? I did ring them when they wrote to close my accounts and was told " It is Nationwide's policy to close the acounts of anyone who takes us to court " Sounds like retaliation to me !![/quote]

 

Hi again

Since my reply to you my daughter-in-law has passed me a letter informing her that her account will be closed on 12 March, I claimed back only £80 for her through the small claims track none of these charges she was responsible for yet Nationwide would not Credit her despite one charge being their fault and the others were the fault of NTL claiming D/D's before the due date. I spoke to Member account services at Nationwide and their intransigence astounded me, I emailed their CEO Phillip Williamson (I thought I would mither him as he is responsible for the Nationwide policy) informing him of the situation and asking for a letter of deadlock so I may complain to the Financial Ombudsman, I have now just informed BBC Watchdog BBC - Consumer - TV and radio who will be very interested I think and Next I will send a complaint to Financial Services Authority. we need to keep the pressure on Nationwide email the CEO and give him some stick.

Baz

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I didn't ask for a letter of deadlock - I just wrote to the Ombudsman informing him of the situation . I told him that I had called tha bank and that they wouldn't budge . What upset me most is that they closed a joint account in the names of my husband and myself which is managed my him and he has never had a bank charge in his life !! I will let you know if I hear anything . Liz

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HOW DID YOU DO THIS?!!! Its fantastic. I have written to nationwide claiming my £6500 (inc 8% interest), and they have said no, so sent my third letter threatening court action and they have just written back basically telling me to get lost!!! I suppose I will have to fill out a court form is it? Did your claim actually go to court or did they settle just before? Any advice would be much appreciated!

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OMG OMG OMG I'm in shock. It does work, and these advisors aren't crazy! Lol.

Total claim £11,247.00

  • Data Protection Act letter sent 06/06/06
  • Prelim Letter 24/07/06

(LBA not sent as they charged me another £750 last month and wouldnt negotiate 2 days for me to get the money in the bank so I threw a hissy fit and went straight to the moneyline stage, willingly handing over the £250 fee)

  • Moneyline claim 10/8/06
  • Acknowledgement of Service 14/8/06

22/08/06 - Payment into account - £250.00

23/08/06 - Payment into account - £9,080.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Presumably they'll pay the rest today or tommorrow. I'm over the moon. All those jitters were worth it. Keep going everybody, if they can pay me back £11,000 then they are admitting that they cant justify their charges. I might even claim back the £750 they charged me last month now lol. (New acc with Lloyds opening tommorrow.)

 

Many many thanks to Dolly for all you support and advice. We will hand over 5% gladly and thankfully.

 

(Not sure what to do about the court now though, I see there is a customer helpline phone number on the Moneyline site, will give them a call.)

 

Could Dolly or a Moderator please contact me for details of how I can hand over some of this lovely lolly :)) x x x xx xx

POPPY07

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(New acc with Lloyds opening tommorrow.)


 

Hi Nursiepoos can't help thinking you are jumping out of the Frying Pan into the fire with LLoyds.

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Well done. I sent the letter asking for the money (£150) to be in my account for next Wed to my own branch. I doubt somehow it will get in my account by Wed. What is the next step?

 

Also I am a bit concerned as between my accounts I have £2500 worth of overdrafts and a nationwide loan. What is the liklihood of me getting a letter to shut my accounts?

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Well done. I sent the letter asking for the money (£150) to be in my account for next Wed to my own branch. I doubt somehow it will get in my account by Wed. What is the next step?

 

Also I am a bit concerned as between my accounts I have £2500 worth of overdrafts and a nationwide loan. What is the liklihood of me getting a letter to shut my accounts?

 

Nationwide apparently have been closing accounts a lot. However, the Ombudsman has fined another bank for an closing account as it was a retaliatory action, so maybe Nationwide will be bearing that in mind and changing their behaviour. Unfortunately, they may well withdraw your overdrafts, but if they do complain to the ombudsman as that would surely also be a purely retaliatory action.

Smile - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent 28th Sept 2006

 

Full claim of £2004.25 paid into account 7th December 2006, 00:09

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Just wanted to say that I've been helping a friend out and Nationwide paid up yesterday (2 weeks after court papers were deemed served), all charges and all interest totalling £3623.89. They have written advising of this refund but have not said they are closing the account.

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Hi Poppy07, thanks for your message. It all seems so long ago now, it was last year that i got all that lovely cash back from Nationwide (and its all gone now lol!). Please be reassured that it DOES work and you WILL get your money back, just keep following the system advised on this site. Nationwide sent me a letter basically saying get lost too, just ignore it and go to the next stage. It cost me £250 on Moneyclaim online to sue Nationwide for £11,270.00 but about a week after i received my Acknowledgement of Service (a document sent to you from the court) the money started being paid into my account, in amounts of £250 over 2 days and i got every penny back, although they did close my account after 30 days so make sure you have another account ready. Its no hassle making a few phone calls to change over any D/Debits etc.

 

Good Luck and stick with it, its real scary but it works!! They ALWAYS back down.

Nursiepoos x x x

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Hi all,

 

Ive finally worked out how to post a thread :smile: lol. Have just paid £250 via the Moneyline court system to claim back the £11+k i've been charged by Nationwide over the last 6 years. Could you all please cross your fingers for me :grin: . Nationwides reply to my claim was that I agreed to their terms and conditions so tough...so as I couldnt pop down the the high street and thump the branch manager I had to proceed to court. Will keep you all posted. Good luck everyone :-)

have you actually managed to get a copy of your terms and conditons as I havent?

muffintop

Won Nationwide £900 and £1908 Bank Charges

Lloyds personal account 1,861

Lloyds Bus Account 2k

Abbey bank acc. Stayed 2008

 

CCA requested Barclaycard Nov 08 - n1 issued - GAVE UP

CCA Mbna Nov 08- n1 issued - GAVE UP

Marks and Spencer Money Nov 08 -lost found 2b enforceable.

Tomson Holiday - WON

 

if I help you tip my little scales it gives me a thrill. MT

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Hi Poppy07, thanks for your message. It all seems so long ago now, it was last year that i got all that lovely cash back from Nationwide (and its all gone now lol!). Please be reassured that it DOES work and you WILL get your money back, just keep following the system advised on this site. Nationwide sent me a letter basically saying get lost too, just ignore it and go to the next stage. It cost me £250 on Moneyclaim online to sue Nationwide for £11,270.00 but about a week after i received my Acknowledgement of Service (a document sent to you from the court) the money started being paid into my account, in amounts of £250 over 2 days and i got every penny back, although they did close my account after 30 days so make sure you have another account ready. Its no hassle making a few phone calls to change over any D/Debits etc.

 

Good Luck and stick with it, its real scary but it works!! They ALWAYS back down.

Nursiepoos x x x

I wonder if things have changed with Nationwide since last year when you went through your claim, as they dont seem to be paying back before the 28 day period now my od has been taken away and i wonder what dirty trick they will do next.had no aq form yet either.

muffintop

Won Nationwide £900 and £1908 Bank Charges

Lloyds personal account 1,861

Lloyds Bus Account 2k

Abbey bank acc. Stayed 2008

 

CCA requested Barclaycard Nov 08 - n1 issued - GAVE UP

CCA Mbna Nov 08- n1 issued - GAVE UP

Marks and Spencer Money Nov 08 -lost found 2b enforceable.

Tomson Holiday - WON

 

if I help you tip my little scales it gives me a thrill. MT

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have you actually managed to get a copy of your terms and conditons as I havent?

 

When I made a claim on behalf of my DIL they sent a copy of terms and conditions, I read it and recycled it, from start to finish the claim took 5 weeks but I only claimed £80 for her, she only had the account open for 4 months. they said they would close her account on 12th March but it is still open, I threatened them with the BOS if it goes to them they have to pay £250 to the BOS Banking Ombudsman Service,for investigating the complaint and compensation of £125 if they find they were acting vindictive which they were. still not received letter of deadlock from N/Wide to escalate it to the BOS so while the account is still open I can't do anything as there is no complaint.

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Hey Nursiepoos! I got my money back Friday - Yay!!! Its lovely isn't it?!!! I split my claim into two though as I thought you couldn't claim more than 5k, so now I'm going through the court process again with nationwide for another 3k!!! Should have my money in about 25days if last time was anything to go by. Its like a saving scheme!!! Thanks for your help and reassurance.

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Nationwide didn't reond to initial letter, or to LBA, filed paers with court, and wednesday is the final day for their response, so anxious.

 

Tell me did you get any resonse from before the final date after filing at court?

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Nursiepoos - have you still got an account with them? Every time they have said that they intend to defend the money starts going into the account within a day or so, so if you have, please check it :)

I see you were very helpfull to nurseypoos, I wonder if you have any advise for me, Im around 8k in bank charges to claim back 2k at a time. got two onthe go, nationwide Mr Bacon has said they intend to defend both claims but not had any money going back into my accounts and only 14 days left for their defense (if it goes according to plan).

 

Im worried they know something I dont, I didnt use a standard template for the bank charges, I made one up myself with date, statement number, charge what it was for etc, do you think im missing something?

muffintop

Won Nationwide £900 and £1908 Bank Charges

Lloyds personal account 1,861

Lloyds Bus Account 2k

Abbey bank acc. Stayed 2008

 

CCA requested Barclaycard Nov 08 - n1 issued - GAVE UP

CCA Mbna Nov 08- n1 issued - GAVE UP

Marks and Spencer Money Nov 08 -lost found 2b enforceable.

Tomson Holiday - WON

 

if I help you tip my little scales it gives me a thrill. MT

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Hi there, you shouldn't have anything to worry about! I split my claim into two, my first claim was submitted and a few days later Nationwide responded stating they were going to defend, however if you read the other threads they never do - the money was in my account the day before their 28 days were up which is pretty standard. You got another 10 - 14 days wait then you should have your money! Yay!!!

POPPY07

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