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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi,

 

We received the CCJ pack from Banbury County Court recently in regards to an unpaid bill of £105 from Dairy Crest for the delivery of milk.

 

The claim form had additional charges etc. from the court and solicitor and the fun they were asking me to pay has increased to £188.88, I accepted the claim for returned it back to the claimant saying that I accepted the claim however I wanted time to pay. This form was sent back within 7 days of original receipt.

 

Yesterday, I received a letter from Banbury County Court telling me that as I had not responded, I was to pay the full amount within 14 days and the claim has been awarded to the claimant. This letter was dates the 16/02/2010.

 

Today, we have received the warrant of execution which is dated the 17/02 and says that unless I now pay £313.00 by the 23rd Feb then a Baliff will call and remove good for public sale...

 

I contacted Banbury court who said that I needed to speak to Dairy Crests solicitors in order to find out where the claim for I submitted was. I have done this as the lady at Brethertons said that I should have returned the form back to then, I advised her that there was a notice in the original claim pack telling me to return the completed admission for back to the claimant address which was Diary Crests HQ. She said this was wrong however she would speak to Dairy Crest to see if they have recieved it.

 

Phew !!

 

what can I do? the original debt was £102 and its now increased to £313 and there is a threat of baliffs unless I pay the full amount by the 23/02 which there is no ways that I can do.

 

I work during the day and I am worried that if Baliffs do turn up that my wife and kids will be in and they will somehow "gain" entry into the house whilst I am not here.

 

Can someone give me some advise please?

 

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I think you should have paid the Court - but in any case did you send by registered letter / recorded delivery your acknowlegement.

 

If you did and haven't received a reply I think you've got a decent "In dispute" thing going here.

 

DO NOT LET THESE BAILIFF'S IN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

 

You've offered 188 GBP (IMO the CCJ was for less --you only really have to pay the CCJ amount plus court costs --solicitors fees ARE NOT ALLOWED - I challenged Yorkshire Water on a 50 GBP Solicitors fee which they waived immediately).

 

I'd also write to the court explaining what's happened -- I don't know what to do next -- but you need to pay the amount you've offered to somebody --KEEP RECORDED DELIVERY / RECEIPTS.

 

DO NOT SPEAK OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BAILIFF

 

In any case I don't think sufficient time has elapsed from a CCJ to getting it enforced in any case --you've got 28 days after judgement to pay it if you want the record removed.

 

 

Actually using the County Court mechanism for what might be really small amounts of debt - in comparison to things like Credit card deliquent accounts of several thousand pounds just shows how desperate firms have become.

 

Most Dairies would have allowed you to pay off the arreas over time -- well without wanting to seem facetious --get your milk from the Supermarket next time.

 

Again DO NOT LET THE BAILIFF IN. EVER.

 

Cheers

jimbo

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Hi there

This apparently was a CCJ and it seems that 28 days hasn't passed from the CCJ hearing in which case enforcement is certainly NOT allowed.

 

Before any type of Court Bailiff action takes place ANOTHER COURT ENFORCEMENT hearing action has to take place.

 

Something about this whole episode doesn't seem quite correct -- in any case it would seem a bit overkill whichever way you look at it to use Bailiff's for a bill of just over 100 GBP.

 

The Court even gave you 14 days -- add that to 16 Feb brings you into March and if you haven't paid then they still have to go through the enforcement procedure.

 

Sounds either like a Bailiff "Phishing" trip or someone's Sols are pulling their luck.

 

If the COURT gave you 14 days on the 16th how can ANYONE get a warrant of execution on the 17th -- BEFORE the judgement period has expired -- this makes a TOTAL MOCKERY out of the whole system --something DEFINITELY is NOT CORRECT HERE.

 

Check please -

 

1) Date of CCJ

2) Dates of any further hearing for non payment

3) Enforcement notice papers

4) recept from creditor acknowleging your offer of payment.

 

Cheers

jimbo

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Hi, there are the dates etc from the paperwork

 

1) claim for issued in Banbury court on 27/01/2010 for £108.53 + £30 Court Fee + £50 solicitors - total of £188.53

 

2) paperwork sent back to the claimant on 07/02/2010 via first class postage saying that I accept the amount and wanted to make an offer to pay £20 PM

 

3) Judgment for claimant (in default) recieved dated the 15/02/2010 saying that I had to pay the claimant the sun of £108.94 + £102 in costs (£210.94)

 

4) Notice of issue of warrant of execution issued on the 16/02/2010 saying that I have not paid the judgement as ordered and that the claimant has asked for a warrant to be issued to the baliff to seize and sell my goods, unless I pay the amount due to the county court before 23/02 the baliff will call and may remove my goods. This will mean I have to pay further costs.

 

Total to pay including fees on the warrant (£313.19)

 

what are your thoughts?

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quick update, I have just spoken to Brethertons who are the claimants solicitors, they said that I should have sent the claim form back to them directly not to directly to the claimant as the instructions suggest..

 

The person also said that she would contact Dairy Crest as they need to get sign of the acceptance form in order to consider a payment offer and that I should contact the baliffs myself and tell me that the judgement is indispute and to no come to my house.................hmmmm.

 

the person said that is she needed to baliffs to confirm this then they would be ok to contact her directly.

 

is this making sense?

 

I also mentioned that there was supposed to be a judgement period of 14 however she said that this did not apply as the claim form award used the word forthwith (probably spelt wrong)

 

any advise would be great.

 

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I think you'll find someone has been slightly economical with the truth. When you returned your Response back it should have been sent to the Court. As far as the Court were then concerned you had filed no defence etc and were found "guilty" by Default - the Claimant being awarded what they asked for.

 

The Claimant has known very well what you have done but have kept quiet - after all it is in their benefit for you to be adjudged against. For this very reason I wouldn't have anything else to do with them but would go back to the Court for further help and advice.

 

You could apply for Set Aside on the grounds you returned the Forms to the Claimant and not the Court. All this does however is to return you to where you are now. I think if I were you you I would file Form N245 instead which is an application for Suspension of a Warrant/Variation of an Order, this will allow you to try to put an instalment plan in operation but please note you have to submit Income/Expenditure and make an offer but remember the Court could overrule this and stipulate what you have to pay. You can also apply to suspend the Warrant as well.

 

The form is available on the HMCS website, I can't remember the fee but you may apply for fee remission on Form EX160 also available on the Court website.

 

My reasons for suggesting this route is that your Claimant failed to inform you that you had supplied the Court documents to them and also what other charges are they now likely to saddle you with. The Court will make a fair decision. Please remember a CCJ stays on your file for 6 years and affects Lenders if you apply for Credit.

 

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A little extra info on your CCJ and what it may mean.

 

Once awarded against you the CCJ will remain in place for 6 years when it automatically falls off - unless of course you haven't paid it off. Lenders look at your Credit History when deciding if they will lend you any cash or HP goods etc - chances are you will be refused. If you can pay within 28 days/1 month then you may apply to have it removed altogether so it doesn't exist. After this time and you have cleared it you can get a Certificate of Satisfaction which will then be noted on your Credit file ie the CCJ still shows but as paid in full.

 

As the debt does not appear to be a large one it may be in your best interests to be able to pay it off within the first month & thus have the CCJ wiped from your record.

 

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just a little update that I wanted to share with everyone.

 

I received a letter this morning saying that the claimant has accepted the payment plan I put together on the admission form which I return to them and that the baliff has been asked to suspend the warrant.

 

I am still being told that I need to pay £313.19.... is this right as this apparently included baliff charges of over £100 even though no baliff will be needed?

 

I get the feeling that the claimants solicitors are trying to pull a fast one here as they are asking me to send payments directly to them as apposed to the claimant.

 

is this right or very wrong?

 

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Hi all

WHAT A STINKING mess -- charges of MORE than the original debt -- and I thought "Loan Sharking" was illegal.

 

You've offered to pay the CCJ -- IMO pay what the CCJ has requested and tell the otherrs TO GET LOST. There certainly hasn't been enough time after CCJ to get a warrant of execution -- and for such a small amount of money too.

 

What a Country we are becoming --saddling people who can usually LEAST afford to pay them with HUGE charges for relatively TINY amounts of debt and using the whole weight of the County Court system to enforce it while Bankers who miked the country DRY are enjoying almost OBSCENE amounts of money AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE too.

 

I've been thinking for some time that It's definitely time I was "Out of here".

 

As soon as the Housing Market picks up a bit I'm selling and emigrating -- even Russsia is probably a better bet at the moment.

 

Cheers

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thanks for the reply, in regards to the time between having the receiving the judgement in default and then the warrant of execution, it would have been inpossible to pay the amount on time even if I had the money in the first place..24 hours..

 

this is what I don't understand, when I asked the claimant solicitors about this they said that the a warrant of execution can be actioned at any time and does not have to wait a set amount of time, apparently the use of the word "forthwith" covers this.... (my middle English is a little rusty)

 

I am penning a letter back to Brethertons asking for a breakdown of all the charges however is there anything that I need to say or not say?

 

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just a little update that I wanted to share with everyone.

 

I received a letter this morning saying that the claimant has accepted the payment plan I put together on the admission form which I return to them and that the baliff has been asked to suspend the warrant.

 

I am still being told that I need to pay £313.19.... is this right as this apparently included baliff charges of over £100 even though no baliff will be needed?

 

I get the feeling that the claimants solicitors are trying to pull a fast one here as they are asking me to send payments directly to them as apposed to the claimant.

 

is this right or very wrong?

 

Thanks

 

Read post No 9, the solicitors are ripping you off.

 

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Read post No 9, the solicitors are ripping you off.

 

PT

 

how do I stop them ripping me off? what would I need to do or say either verbal or written?

 

sorry to ask so many questions, can I request a full breakdown of charges etc and then hope that they will realise that I am checking the legitimacy of them.

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Asking for a breakdown of charges will do you no good as they have already listed them on the CCJ you got, the Bailiff charges are on top of this which is why we get to over £300+.

 

Because of what happened with your original Court docs you really should go back to the Court and explain. The chance are you will then only have the original CCJ costs to pay and a payment plan set by the Court. In my view it is Form N245 you need.

 

I believe the Claimants solicitor now knows they cocked this up and are trying to cover their own back. They knew full well you had returned the docs to the wrong place but never said a thing.

 

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