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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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Nononono!!!!

 

You have this the wrong way round.

 

Abbey doesn't take us to court, WE take THEM to court!!!

 

Abbey (or any other bank for that matter) are meant to DEFEND the claim... and they never do. They won't, as long as they are faced with revealing their real costs.

 

ok ok... i mean i wonder if Abbey has ever defended IN court?

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i've been ordered to appear at a preliminary hearing in the middle of august to discuss expert witnesses,amongst other things. As far as i know, this is a first on this web site(i'd be interested to know if it isn't). From what i can gather having read through some other bank's threads, the Abbey just seems to be the one which is taking the longest to roll over. They seem to fight each case as long as they can

 

 

I will get back to you over this , can you please post this in your own thread so as not to hi-jack this one , thanks

steter from dover, successfully reclaimed £2700 from Abbey thanks to THIS website

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i've been ordered to appear at a preliminary hearing in the middle of august to discuss expert witnesses,amongst other things. As far as i know, this is a first on this web site(i'd be interested to know if it isn't). From what i can gather having read through some other bank's threads, the Abbey just seems to be the one which is taking the longest to roll over. They seem to fight each case as long as they can

 

 

I will get back to you over this , can you please post this in your own thread so as not to hi-jack this one , thanks

 

Ooo that sounds a bit scary. let me know what happens. i'm claiming just under £5000 so therefore i bet this happens to me.

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It is an unusual and wasteful step but don't worry. If it actually goes ahead, it will bring you into court which will be good for your experience. You will also have an opportunity to ask the judge to order Abbey to make standard disclosure - which would be wonderful for everyone.

It will also be an opportunity to meet the Abbey people and to look them in the eye and show them that you are quite happy about going into court.

 

Believe me, it is the bank which does not want to go into court - desparately

 

Abbeyt have so many bad rins of luck in court and so much bad publicity out of it that they are desparately trying to retrieve thinhs - without letting go of the money, of course.

 

Make sure that you take lots of notes of what is said and take a friend or a buddy with you if you want.

 

What does the order actually say?

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It will also be an opportunity to meet the Abbey people and to look them in the eye and show them that you are quite happy about going into court.

 

I'd rather not do this quite frankly. Although i am angered that Abbey and the banks are stealing from us and victimising vunerable people... I'd crumble in court and be extremely nervous. I'd probably be a wreck.

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Just to add to my many worries...

 

I've just read BankFodders post about people making mistakes. One of them being 'claiming for charges which are not penalties'.

 

I'm a little concerned. I read everything here and took greatcare in calculating 'penalties'. But am worried that an unauthorised overdraft fee is not a penalty. Most of my charges are unpaid DDs, cheque clearance fees and other cleared transactions. Presumably unauthorised overdraft fee is a penalty. Just double checking.

 

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Do it what have you got to lose, they have already taken £2700 of you is £120.00 going to make any difference. Think of me £7000.00, could cost me £1000.00 or more, but still going to do it. At the end of the day as the OFT said its up to a Judge to deceide and as the Judges must be getting tired of the banks wasting their time as well as everyone elses got to be worth £120.00. I am more than happy to go with you if you need a bit of moral support, not any good on the court side but willing to learn, must be people on this site who have gone there or similar who may be able to help.

 

Regards bish.

Abbey : £8070.41*PAID IN FULL*14/02/07:D

Capital one : LBA sent 17/09/06 £1,087.22

Marbles : LBA sent 17/09/06 £720.00 ; £720 offer accepted:D

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Do it what have you got to lose, they have already taken £2700 of you is £120.00 going to make any difference. Think of me £7000.00, could cost me £1000.00 or more, but still going to do it. At the end of the day as the OFT said its up to a Judge to deceide and as the Judges must be getting tired of the banks wasting their time as well as everyone elses got to be worth £120.00. I am more than happy to go with you if you need a bit of moral support, not any good on the court side but willing to learn, must be people on this site who have gone there or similar who may be able to help.

 

Regards bish.

 

gulp... why could it cost u £1000 or more?

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Your claim is for less than £5000.00 and therfore goes through the normal system and costs are coverd by your £120.00 court fee. My claim is for over £5000.00 and therefor can be allocated to the fast track system by the judge or the multi-track system which costs more and If I lose I can be liable to their costs of upto £750.00 or more depending on the track the judge deceides to allocate the claim to. Sounds a bit complicated but is explained on the courts web site, don't have a link but just type in county court to search engine and you will get there.Read a bit more on this site regarding litigation and small claims court and you will see that your claim is a lot of money but not to much to worry about losing. Good luck with it and keep me posted.

 

Regards bish.

Abbey : £8070.41*PAID IN FULL*14/02/07:D

Capital one : LBA sent 17/09/06 £1,087.22

Marbles : LBA sent 17/09/06 £720.00 ; £720 offer accepted:D

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Sorry sounds a bit like I am an expert and I am not, just information I have gleaned from this site and others. Couuld be wrong on the cost side of things but just want to say that if you follow the guide lines set out on this site I am sure it will only cost you £120.00 if you were to lose, which by the sounds of it you won't. The main point here is that as far as I can tell not one bank has succesfully defended a case, or for that matter bothered to defend one, so go for it.

 

Regards bish.

Abbey : £8070.41*PAID IN FULL*14/02/07:D

Capital one : LBA sent 17/09/06 £1,087.22

Marbles : LBA sent 17/09/06 £720.00 ; £720 offer accepted:D

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Sorry sounds a bit like I am an expert and I am not, just information I have gleaned from this site and others. Couuld be wrong on the cost side of things but just want to say that if you follow the guide lines set out on this site I am sure it will only cost you £120.00 if you were to lose, which by the sounds of it you won't. The main point here is that as far as I can tell not one bank has succesfully defended a case, or for that matter bothered to defend one, so go for it.

 

Regards bish.

 

cheers bish. actually my claim is for just under £5000 but the 8% interest at court stage takes it over £5000. So my fees were £250!!!!! Does this mean mine could be fast tracked? I was led to believe they look at what i am actually claiming £4850 and this keeps it in the small claims court?

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Karnevil is right, I also believe that it is at the Judges discretion, if your claim is over £5000.00, they can still allocate it to the normal track. As also said the court costs to file your claim increase as the amount of the claim increases, not sure why claiming £5000.00 costs more than claiming £50.00, but then still not sure why it costs £35.00 to bounce a DD. You don't think the courts are jumping on the band waggon do you ?. Good luck with your claim and as I said before, in the unlikely event you lose, £250.00 is small compared to what they have already taken so worth the gamble when the odds are stacked in your favour for once.

 

Regards bish.

Abbey : £8070.41*PAID IN FULL*14/02/07:D

Capital one : LBA sent 17/09/06 £1,087.22

Marbles : LBA sent 17/09/06 £720.00 ; £720 offer accepted:D

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It was a preliminary hearing but people need to be aware that every now and again they will be required to turn up in court and represent themselves a little bit - scary stuff !!!!!

 

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after reading what manalo has gone through i cant help but feel this is again another delay tactic which starts from the first letters you send. feel that the prelim court attendance is a bullying tactic to make people scared and feel out of their depth and think "stuff that" going any furthur. am i right in saying the judges in small claims courts are lay persons aswell which could be why they requested such evidence due to lack of insight. i attend court regulary for medical hearings etc and giving evidence and have known judges being used from crown court etc to attend potential complicated hearings in lesser courts. basic fact is that the banks have to prove their charges are fair and cost effective to them which they are not basically. the potential can of worms being opened to prove this will have severe consequences to the banks. well done manalo you have done so well, keep going.

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hi - I think we are within a day or so of each other - I replied on Friday to Piper's about the breakdown of charges. My claim was filed on the 6th, and I had the letter from Piper's Friday morning.

 

I'll check in with your thread to see how you go!

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Arrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!

 

Tomorrow 19th July would've been time up. 14 days since since They received my claim from MoneyClaim. But the b*stards have anknowledged it! Now i gotta wait till 1st August.

 

I'm getting sooooooooooooooooooooo bored of their delying tactics!!!

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Still no communication or defense from Abbey. One week to go... i'm soooooo hoping they just don't bother and i can go for a judgement. However i suspect they will enter a defense at the last minute.

 

How long does the whole Allocation Questionaire take on average? Or is that a similar question to 'How long is a piece of string?'

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LL I think its better if they defend so you dont have to go through set aside hearing sand the like.....

 

Aq's will come with the courts copy of abbeys defence, your 50% offer will come with abbeys copy of the defence. You have two weeks to file your AQ and thats the time for negotiating - after that is 100% or court.....

 

timescales for once you have submitted your AQ is how long is a piece of string - depends what new fangled scheme abbey come up with to stall your claim.

 

Clear as mud ! :-)

 

So... if they do not defend and i apply for a judgement... what is the set aside all about? I have read a couple of threads about it here but am a little confused. As surely if they do not submit a defense in time that's it! They have lost!?

 

My claim, at a lot of money, will incur a higher fee for an AQ will it not?

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LMAO - me too ! 3 claims with abbey - 2 at AQ sent stage - 1 in the wings....

 

nah - none settled yet (except £88 from capital one after 1 letter so that doesnt really count )

 

but hey ! I'm positive :-) (ish ;-) )

 

well good luck... i have to say i'm getting very tired of waiting. i made the mistake back in may of dreaming about using the money for a holiday this summer. now it looks like it'll be more like a winter holiday... sigh!

 

i mean how crap is it to have to wait another 28 days if i win by default and they ask for a set aside? very very crap with an extra dollop of crap!

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Hello LL,

 

I know what you mean about their delaying tactics, it is infuriating :mad: However, I think that it's down to Abbey's spitefulness because they know they're going to have to cough up in the long run so this is their only means of getting back at you by making you wait. Pathetic, really :rolleyes:

 

Keep the faith darlin' you'll get there in the end:)

 

Janey

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LL - read comics thread :D.

 

I personally think rather than leaping on the default button you be best to contact the solicitors and ask them if they are filing the defence, pressing default button with abbey seems to prolong things.

 

But.. I expect your defence will come through any day now :-)

 

Well... MoneyClaim said they deemed Abbey to have been served on the 5th July. They acknowledged on the 10th... so if i'm right they have 28 days from the 5th July which takes them till tomorrow, 1st August 2006. So presumably i have to wait till the end of the day tomorrow?

 

Assuming that i get nothing in the post on the 1st August their time is up?

 

So, do you think i should contact the solicitors today? (31st July) Should i send them an email? Letter? I assume going for a default judgement is delayed as Abbey try for a set aside?

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