Advent Computer Training (Barclays Partner Finance)Info and discussion thread

[10pack]

HI i have been reading the advent papers and on my enrolment form there is no start date or end date filled in and no signiture from any body with authority on advents behalf i have also read that in the terms on the other side of the enrolment form it states under 2.1 No contract exits between you and us for the supply of services until a completed enrolment form has been signed by you and it has been signed by a person who has authority to sign the enrolment form on our behalf. Once we have received a completed enrolment form signed by you and it has been signed by a person who has authority to sign the enrolment form on our behalf there is a legal binding contract between you and us.

 

sorry for going on but shuld it have been signed by them and me for it to be a legal binding contract any help would be apricated thank you.

 

 

Hmmm I bet there are all the signatures on your finance agreements with Barclays otherwise they would not have transferred money

[Beedles6]

Hmmm I bet there are all the signatures on your finance agreements with Barclays otherwise they would not have transferred money

 

yes unfortunately but is this ground for breach of contract as no contract existed supposedly thanks.

[Yasmin89]

my adven contract ahve no signatures on it apart from mine!! they never sent me a contract with and advent signautre.unfortunately bpf do have a contrcta with my signautre on it!

[mantaxi]

Yes, sorry that's the thing I mean - enrolment form rather than a contract.

 

Were no dates entered on yours by the salesman?

 

i am sure that the enrolment form is the contract between you and advent, as for the end date there should not be one as it is, work at your own pace, so why are people getting letters or phone calls to hurry you up to compleate the course? maybe this is another bit of amunition. ct have to let you continue at your own pace and not put time limits on you or ask you to pay any more money as you have an agreement with the amount you agreed to pay with the salesperson. if time limits are imposed upon us then its not like for like.

[Bluedo]

With Computeach now on the scene and BPF's letter, (we've fixed it and you need to start paying), I think the options are running out.

 

My view is that the best way forward is now a joint action against BPF.

 

This was posted recently:

 

 

 

They seem willing and hopefully able and I will also give them a call am to clarify some points.

 

David

 

If A4rons Lawyer can deal with this and there's also interest from another 1 we should get organised and stick together on this also there's the Trade students who could be included

[Bluedo]

HI guys,

 

1st time on here got directed by some1 on the facebook group.

Got some great info on here but i wanted some advice as what to do next.. wrtiien my letter as advised by CD, financial ombudmsn told me i have to wait the 8 weeks b4 they step in. Now that bpf have confirmed that computeach are the new providr im not sure where we stand. Obv i dont want this, They looked rubbish in the 1st place, I was interested to read abouta potentiel lawyer but im concerned aout the cost.

 

Hi Yasmin

Think if you keep an eye on here there may be some news tomorrow or Wednesday we might know about costs etc.

I'm thinking if there's enough of us in a group action any costs would be shared if it's no win no fee then obviously if we won then we could share the cost

[Nail-em-2-The-Wall]

I agree. And '' Computeach '' ....... No thanks.

Edited March 29, 2010 by Nail-em-2-The-Wall

[Bluedo]

I agree. And '' Computeach '' ....... No thanks.

 

Definately no thanks out the frying pan into the fire

[Nail-em-2-The-Wall]

computeteach are already being sued ?? Wow.

[mantaxi]

just got this off of ct web site

Flexible courses to suit you

 

Our unique courses are designed to fit in with your lifestyle, so there are no fixed term times. You learn mainly at home in your own environment you're already comfortable with and are supported by our expert tutors via phone and email. When you're ready to attend a classroom session, you'll meet your tutor and fellow Computeach trainees.

 

again i say why have people been given times to compleat?

[malchus25]

just got this off of ct web site

Flexible courses to suit you

 

Our unique courses are designed to fit in with your lifestyle, so there are no fixed term times. You learn mainly at home in your own environment you're already comfortable with and are supported by our expert tutors via phone and email. When you're ready to attend a classroom session, you'll meet your tutor and fellow Computeach trainees.

 

again i say why have people been given times to compleat?

 

maybe this is a trick..to make CT a like for like provider for us, don't you think? It may have been recently added on their website, i suppose!

[pit789]

Hi all,

 

Someone mentioned that CT is not providing some part of web design course - which part was that?

 

I was told by their representative that they include in the course: IT Essentials, Comptia A+ Hardware Foundation and CIW Certified internet Web Design Master – all 3 modules.

 

Regards,

PiT

[MARTIN3030]

Lots of things simply do not add up.

8 weeks for Barclays to turn up with a firm who looks to be highly incompetant and is unable to offer the same as Advent.

 

I maintain that Advent stated that they were informed in December 2009 that Barclays were pulling the plug.

Barclays therefore knew very well that the issues of finding an alternative provider remained likely-yet they did nothing in anticipation.?

To me this is a case of a breach of their duty of care and a total disregard to those people who had agreements with them...in their failings to act until more than 3 months later.

Of course they will say that they did not know whether Advent would find alternative financial backing-so were not in a position to know the outcome-but I bet Advent pointed this out to Barclays - I cannot believe there were no efforts made to reverse the decision.

 

The whole thing stinks.

[Bluedo]

Barclays Partner Finance Refunds Section 75 on Vimeo

 

If this link doesn't work let me know please

Your right Martin there's something seriously wrong with the whole set up and to any right thinking person you can see they're trying to pull the wool and confident with it

[SajstarHero]

wait wait wait hmmmm we signed for MCSE. 'Nearly' everyone in that time never got to MCSE stage during a two year time allocation. It says its possible but find a students that have? It will be as many as or less then I have digits on my hand out of 6000. Now considering this, and how the course is sold and designed I want evidence that it is achievable by real people that have done it and are fully qualified. The course is designed in a way where it can't be achieved with the material provided. Thus the quality of the material obviously does not meet standards. So this is unfair practice as people taking a alternative direct root would fair better.

 

I don't care if it was achievable during the time, but its not for the majority of students. I was even told to go do my own research when it came to it and mock exams found that there where certain things not even covered in the materials I received. I've been stuck on this A+ for god knows over a year and I have a friend that did it easily on a 15 week course, of one day a week. Which also translated into 40 hours + 10 hours of home study. Thats a total of 50 hours. Means the quality of materials sucks with these companies and is a joke. I want my money back as the goods provided are below par and I know CT materials are going to be the same. If I paid 5k then I want a 5k service that is better then having to look up my own material as that was not part of the deal as all material should have been provided.

 

Their own ex-employee's stating it will take over a year. A year for one qualification and thats only a A+? I'm going to have to take this whole thing down the route of seeking legal advice. This coupled with the lies the sales person fed me are starting to stack my defense. I want to see if I can compromise first with Barclays and will be sending a letter recorded mail tomorrow

[SajstarHero]

Barclays Partner Finance Refunds Section 75 on Vimeo

 

If this link doesn't work let me know please

Your right Martin there's something seriously wrong with the whole set up and to any right thinking person you can see they're trying to pull the wool and confident with it

 

The link works but requires you to log in or join Vimeo

[10pack]

The link works but requires you to log in or join Vimeo

 

Worked ok for me.. and did not need to log in

 

I watched the video the other day on this site about Barclays.. is this teh same video.. it mentions computeach when I watched it this morning dont remember that when I watched it last week

[THE ROADIE]

Lots of things simply do not add up.

8 weeks for Barclays to turn up with a firm who looks to be highly incompetant and is unable to offer the same as Advent.

 

I maintain that Advent stated that they were informed in December 2009 that Barclays were pulling the plug.

Barclays therefore knew very well that the issues of finding an alternative provider remained likely-yet they did nothing in anticipation.?

To me this is a case of a breach of their duty of care and a total disregard to those people who had agreements with them...in their failings to act until more than 3 months later.

Of course they will say that they did not know whether Advent would find alternative financial backing-so were not in a position to know the outcome-but I bet Advent pointed this out to Barclays - I cannot believe there were no efforts made to reverse the decision.

 

The whole thing stinks.

 

This makes me think that BPF are in bed with Computeach, with BPF getting the course cheaper than Advent were charging, therefore making more profit from current agreements with students. But if I have to I will pay off the £5,450 before BPF try to whack that silly interest rate on. Then Sue them for the sum of the loan I have to take out (providing this mess that BPF put us in doesn't get sorted before May)

[Bluedo]

wait wait wait hmmmm we signed for MCSE. 'Nearly' everyone in that time never got to MCSE stage during a two year time allocation. It says its possible but find a students that have? It will be as many as or less then I have digits on my hand out of 6000. Now considering this, and how the course is sold and designed I want evidence that it is achievable by real people that have done it and are fully qualified. The course is designed in a way where it can't be achieved with the material provided. Thus the quality of the material obviously does not meet standards. So this is unfair practice as people taking a alternative direct root would fair better.

 

I don't care if it was achievable during the time, but its not for the majority of students. I was even told to go do my own research when it came to it and mock exams found that there where certain things not even covered in the materials I received. I've been stuck on this A+ for god knows over a year and I have a friend that did it easily on a 15 week course, of one day a week. Which also translated into 40 hours + 10 hours of home study. Thats a total of 50 hours. Means the quality of materials sucks with these companies and is a joke. I want my money back as the goods provided are below par and I know CT materials are going to be the same. If I paid 5k then I want a 5k service that is better then having to look up my own material as that was not part of the deal as all material should have been provided.

 

Their own ex-employee's stating it will take over a year. A year for one qualification and thats only a A+? I'm going to have to take this whole thing down the route of seeking legal advice. This coupled with the lies the sales person fed me are starting to stack my defense. I want to see if I can compromise first with Barclays and will be sending a letter recorded mail tomorrow

 

Also it's recommended that someone should be employed in IT with experience of at least 18month in that field before attempting MCSE

 

Roadie I would need to find out for sure but if an account is on hold and then in Dispute then I don't think they should add the interest. as this is Unfair Practices. Until the matter is resolved the account should be frozen at the stage prior to them finding a provider and until a service is being provided then we're still in the same position. We are not receiving anything.

They've found a provider whoopee but we're still in the same position and the time is still ticking

[JuiceyBuns]

Just contacted CompuTeach.

I provided no personal details..

I advised that I was a former advent student and wanted details of an account owner that would be dealing with my training setup. The adviser, Julie, was unable to provide this as it was being dealt with by a separate department. She also advised that they were just taking student details and the Advent training reference and passing it on. I would then hear from someone around the 9th of April. I didn't have my reference handy so didn't pass that on.

 

I requested a training pack or details of the MCITP course and details of the workshop locations, Julie again advised that she was not able to provide anything.

 

I then called CompuTeach on their freephone number 0800 083 0261 from their website and requested these details. The adviser took my email address and told me he would send me a PDF with all the course details including workshop locations etc as soon as possible.

 

I am aware that this brochure might be different from the offer provided to Advent students, but will give me a bit of info for investigation.

 

I am considering writing to BPF now and getting them to do the leg work as they have previously stated that they have all of our course details.

[chickna]

yes, you are right. I used the material, provided by advent, but I couldnt pass A+ mock exams and even mock exam are not according to A+ requirements, most of the questions in mock exam are out of sybles. I think they want us to stuck in course. I spent one year on A+ but couldnt get out of it. Last month, I searched on internet and got very useful free material. I used that material and passed my both papers of A+ with 879 and 871 marks. So I think, , advent is not providing services according to standards.We want our money back.

wait wait wait hmmmm we signed for MCSE. 'Nearly' everyone in that time never got to MCSE stage during a two year time allocation. It says its possible but find a students that have? It will be as many as or less then I have digits on my hand out of 6000. Now considering this, and how the course is sold and designed I want evidence that it is achievable by real people that have done it and are fully qualified. The course is designed in a way where it can't be achieved with the material provided. Thus the quality of the material obviously does not meet standards. So this is unfair practice as people taking a alternative direct root would fair better.

 

I don't care if it was achievable during the time, but its not for the majority of students. I was even told to go do my own research when it came to it and mock exams found that there where certain things not even covered in the materials I received. I've been stuck on this A+ for god knows over a year and I have a friend that did it easily on a 15 week course, of one day a week. Which also translated into 40 hours + 10 hours of home study. Thats a total of 50 hours. Means the quality of materials sucks with these companies and is a joke. I want my money back as the goods provided are below par and I know CT materials are going to be the same. If I paid 5k then I want a 5k service that is better then having to look up my own material as that was not part of the deal as all material should have been provided.

 

Their own ex-employee's stating it will take over a year. A year for one qualification and thats only a A+? I'm going to have to take this whole thing down the route of seeking legal advice. This coupled with the lies the sales person fed me are starting to stack my defense. I want to see if I can compromise first with Barclays and will be sending a letter recorded mail tomorrow

[MARTIN3030]

The thought of CompuTeach and Barclays having an agenda that maybe people didnt know about did cross my mind.

 

I ran a search on the Information Commissioners Office public register of data controllers using CompuTeach registered office postcode and came up with this;

 

Total Records found 2

 

COMPUTEACH INTERNATIONAL LIMITED

MAREHILL FINANCE LIMITED

 

 

Using the same postcode for a search of the public register for Consumer Credit Licences-no results are shown.

 

Although one of the listings in Marehills licence is shown as being authorised for debt collection activities.

My understanding is that a Consumer Credit Licence is needed for debt collection activity.

 

 

A google search of Marehill Finance Ltd shows the same address and postcode as that of CompuTeach International Ltd.

 

I am doing some further digging to see what comes up.

[10pack]

The thought of CompuTeach and Barclays having an agenda that maybe people didnt know about did cross my mind.

 

I ran a search on the Information Commissioners Office public register of data controllers using CompuTeach registered office postcode and came up with this;

 

Total Records found 2

 

COMPUTEACH INTERNATIONAL LIMITED

MAREHILL FINANCE LIMITED

 

 

Using the same postcode for a search of the public register for Consumer Credit Licences-no results are shown.

 

Although one of the listings in Marehills licence is shown as being authorised for debt collection activities.

My understanding is that a Consumer Credit Licence is needed for debt collection activity.

 

 

A google search of Marehill Finance Ltd shows the same address and postcode as that of CompuTeach International Ltd.

 

I am doing some further digging to see what comes up.

 

Could be 2 companies on the same property.. that would show as same post code and address??

[MARTIN3030]

Ah it seems there WAS a licence in place but it has expired in 2009.

Whilst I know that sometimes it can take some time for a renewal to show-I think its likely that it WOULD be showing by now.

 

here are the details;

 

Application / Licence Details

 

 

 

Licence Number:0156676

Licence Status:Lapsed on 27/06/2009

 

Current Applicant / Licensee:

 

Business NameCompany Registration Number Marehill Finance Limited1764942

 

Categories:

 

Consumer credit Credit reference agency Debt collecting

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:Yes

 

 

Trading Name(s) (Historic):

 

Marehill Finance

 

Issued Date: 03-May-1984

 

 

Legal Formation:

 

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Andrew Dennis ColeyshawOFFICER

 

Historic Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Emma Jane PorterOFFICER Mr Arthur Francis St Clair_burtonOFFICER Mr David Frederick BollenOFFICER Mr George ParkinsonOFFICER Mr Paul Anthony HarrisonOFFICER Mr Peter LathamOFFICER

 

Current Organisations that run the organisation:

 

NameCompany Registration NumberPosition Higgs Secretarial Limited OFFICER

 

Nature of Business:

 

Banking services

 

Current Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Principal Place Of BusinessDudley Office,University House, Jews Lane, Dudley, West Midlands, DY3 2AH Registered OfficeCarrick House, Lypiatt Road, Cheltenham , Gloustershire, GL50 2QJ

 

Historic Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Principal Place Of Business151, Worcester Road, West Hagley, West Midlands, DY9 0NW Principal Place Of BusinessDudley Office, University Hou, Jews Lane, Dudley, West Midlands, DY3 2AH Principal Place Of BusinessUniversity House, Jews Lane, Dudley, West Midlands, DY3 2AH Registered OfficeMarehill House 151, Worcester Road, Hagley, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 0NW Registered OfficeP O Box 3343, ., Oldbury, Warley, West Midlands, B69 4EY

 

 

At this point I should stress that there is no suggestion that the company IS connected or associated with CompuTeach -merely that the entries on the ICO website show as the same address.

[Bluedo]

Also does this look like a financially stable company

 

 

Name & Registered Office:

COMPUTEACH LIMITED

PO BOX 51

UNIVERSITY HOUSE

JEWS LANE

DUDLEY

WEST MIDLANDS

UNITED KINGDOM

DY3 2AG

Company No. 02426628

 

 

 

 

Status: Active

Date of Incorporation: 26/09/1989

 

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company

Nature of Business (SIC(03)):

7499 - Non-trading company

Accounting Reference Date: 31/12

Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/12/2008 (DORMANT)

Next Accounts Due: 30/09/2010

Last Return Made Up To: 27/06/2009

Next Return Due: 25/07/2010

Last Members List: 27/06/2009

 

Previous Names:

Date of change Previous Name

14/11/1989 SEDBURY LIMITED

25/06/1990 SECURICOR TRAINING LIMITED

UK Establishment Details

There are no UK Establishments associated with this company.