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    • Received a final demand today Final demand.pdf
    • Here is my final draft: I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in the claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act.   1.        The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date.   2.        I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment.   As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party.   3.        The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’.  The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents.   4.        Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018.   5.        I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020.   6.        Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicotors is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’   7.        I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’.   8.        The claimant relies upon and exhibits a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement.   It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HH Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’.   The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause.   9.        Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not try to mislead the court.   10.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024
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    • Hi folks, I've just found previous documentation. I thought it had gone missing. I'd forgotten that I did appeal it through POPLA but I can't find the thread on here that, I assume, I posted for help. Appeal letter is dated 27/10/2020 with a rejection. I genuinely had forgotten about this so apologies for misleading you. A lot has happened in the years since the ticket was issued. We closed down a couple of businesses and moved to the opposite end of the country to retire. The documents I have are scanned copies. I no longer have the originals. The NTK is also in there. If there's anything you'd like to see, please let me know and I'll post them, although it probably won't be until tomorrow now, but I'll be looking in on this page tonight. Thank you for the responses so far
    • Hello! After emailing them I received this reply:   I have drafted the following, please would you be able to comment as to if you think it is correct/sufficient? "Thank you for your email.   Thanks you for confirming that the vehicle does not have these features as stated in the advertisement.    I am sure you are aware that the Consumer Rights Act 2015 provides the short term right to reject within 30 days. Statutory rights cannot be taken away from a consumer, and any attempt to do so is illegal.   Please can you advise how best to return the vehicle?" Thanks in advance!
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I actually raised this specific issue with the Site Team in September.

 

I was told that the ICO (who deal with Data Protection and SAR related issues) will not deal with matters relating to credit agreements as these are covered by the CCA1974.

 

Try the FOS and see how it goes. :)

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Thanks again slick132.

 

Is there any template letter to send to FOS or do i have to do it in their way? U know, ring them and they will send the papers.

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The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Just receive these in the post this morning

 

 

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The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Write a letter to BC and to Nelson Guest confirming that a formal complaint has been sent to the FOS on xxdate, concerning BC's refusal to provide the credit agreement.

 

Accordingly, the a/c is in a clear and serious dispute and, if they make any further collection attempts, phone calls etc, you'll report them to the FOS for breach of the OFT Guidelines on Debt Collection.

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Thanks slick132

 

l will send everything tomorrow. Thanks

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Ok. I hope u guys all had a great Christmas and a better New Year.

I complained to the FOS and I receiver their first response, like usual, we have to give the chance to Barclaycard, in 8 weeks to solve the matter if not, to send everything back with the new documents. This are the letters that i received in the post, all this time in the following order.

 

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and the last one from Barclaysharks

 

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Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Hi Jameson,

 

I have no specific authority to confirm this but I think it would depend on whether you had an authorised o/d or not. They should not take from your current a/c and leave you with an unauthorised o/d.

 

But I think they COULD take from your a/c if this leaves you WITHIN your o/d faciltiy.

 

Hi TFD,

 

Have you complained about BC taking money from your a/c, or about them not supplying a copy of your credit agreement. Or perhaps both.

 

There is more to read here about protecting your money from being Set Off - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt-issues/36790-bank-taking-your-benefits.html#post289030

 

My understanding is that a Letter of Appropriation applies to any money being paid into your account and not just Benefits. So you could write to the bank pointing out how much of your money being paid in is required to pay priority debts.

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I've moved Jameson's posts from here to avoid hijacking.

 

The thread is here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclaycard/244092-jameson78-bc-re-set.html

 

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Hi Slick.

 

I did complain about both. For taking the money without inform me first and about their refusal to produce credit agreement. BC said that about making sure there is money left for direct debits plus 100. None of this are thruth. How about the other expenses? There is no DD for rent. I am paying the rent at the post office but they just took the money so, i didnt paid it. Now we are behind thanks to them. They should send a letter like this before to take the money, to give u time to answer back if have something to say.

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Jameson found a good link about this on the FOS Site - http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/ombudsman-news/40/40_setoff.htm

 

I suggest you send a Right of Appropriation letter to the bank before you pay in any more, to avoid them helping themselves further.

 

Better still, open a bank a/c elsewhere.

 

See how the FOS respond and, if you get any more collection letters from BC or Mercers, Nelson Guest or anyone else, send them a note of the FOS complaint ref. no. and tell them to back off.

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Jameson found a good link about this on the FOS Site - banking: firms' right of 'set off'

 

I suggest you send a Right of Appropriation letter to the bank before you pay in any more, to avoid them helping themselves further.

 

Better still, open a bank a/c elsewhere.

 

See how the FOS respond and, if you get any more collection letters from BC or Mercers, Nelson Guest or anyone else, send them a note of the FOS complaint ref. no. and tell them to back off.

 

 

Thanks again, Slick. Ive read last night about that on FOS site.

 

I did try a few times to open that Right of Appropriation letter but, the link didnt work. Or is not a link, just comes up as a link!!!

 

I did open another bank a/c with another bank ;).

 

Now u suggest i should send everything back to the FOS. Ok.

 

Thanks Slick.

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

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An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Got it Slick.

 

Ta

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Just another thretening letter from the Lovely Wescot :p

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Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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I am looking to send the bellow letter to Barclaycard.

 

Can anyone have a look and let me know if i have to do some changes please? Thanks.

 

 

"Regarding the return letter for FOS, i am still dont know how to do it. I am thinking of it yet."

 

 

 

 

Dear sirs,

 

Re account no xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and my request under the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

I write with regards to the above account number.

 

I respectfully request that you provide me by return a copy of the credit agreement which bears my signaturelink3.gif. I require this as I have reason to believe that there may be discrepancies within the agreement which may leave it improperly executed.

 

Obviously if the agreement is improperly executed I would be entitled to ask the court to consider the agreement and make a declaration of the rights of parties to the agreement.

 

I must stress this request is NOT made pursuant to section 78 Consumer Credit Act 1974 but is made pursuant to the Civil Procedurelink3.gif Rules ( Pre action protocols and Part 31.16) and therefore a copy of an application will not suffice, only a copy of the original contract in its unaltered form will suffice in these circumstances

 

Please confirm if you still hold a copy of my signed agreement and that you will provide me with this document.

 

I do not view this as an unreasonable request given that by supplying the document which I have asked for it will allow me to assess if my case has merit and will help to resolve matters possibly without the need to involve the court and will undoubtedly save costs on both sides

 

I look forward to your reply and would ask for a response by 4pm on the xxxxxxx give them 7 working days 2009

 

Yours sincerely

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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I would not send a CPR 31.16 request for 2 reasons:-

 

1. The case is being considered by the FOS, who may well get BC to send the doc't.

 

2. The CPR request is usually ignored by BC or taken by them to be a further CCA request.

 

3. Taking proactive action using CPR is now far more risky after the Manchester rulings by Judge Waksman.

 

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Thanks Slick.

 

What is that about in point 3 please? I didnt hear about it.

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An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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You need to spend a bit more time reading if you haven't heard about the Manchester Test Cases.

 

See the first few pages here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/240186-dissecting-manchester-test-case-new-post.html

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I am on it.

 

There is that many to read in here....u will never read everything!!!

 

Thanks Slick.

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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hello everyone and welcome back to my thread.

 

I took a long break from everything, as you can see for about 2 years. So far so good nothing happened really. The debt is now with Lowel.

 

I have this credit card from Barclay's and, everything i have done i couldn't get my credit agreement. I even involved the FOS. All they got for me was a signed application form. Same was with the SAR.

 

Not sure what to do now. I was thinking at a f & f settlement offer. I've seen lots of threads here about this most of them ending successfuly.

 

Any advice is really appreciated.

 

thanks guys

 

TFD

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Hi TFD,

 

If BC didn't supply anything more than an Application Form, experience here suggests that's all they have.

 

Unless Lowells can supply you with a credit agreement, they should be unable to take enforcement action for the a/c. If they are making demands, send them a CCA request if you haven't already done so.

 

Alternatively, you could try and negotiate a F&F Settlement with but make sure the amount you are willing to pay reflects the fact that they are in a terrible position with no credit agreement.

 

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Good old Slick

 

Thanks for coming back that quick Slick.

 

I was thinking to push aside Lowell and tell them that they don't have anything to do with this and negotiate everything with BC, as they already put bad credit history in my file.

 

As about the F&F Settlement I wasn't thinking at more that 10%

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Hi TFD,

 

Do you know if Lowells now own the debt. BC should have sent you a Notice of Assignment to confirm this.

 

If Lowells are now the owners, you have little choice but to deal with them as BC would have no further legal interest in the debt.

 

If there is no credit agreement, 10% sounds like a realistic target for a F&F.

 

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There is no mention of any charges or PPI in this thread.

 

Given what you have described, I would suspect there are charges from Barclaycard.

 

If the debt has been sold on - the charges cannot be used to offset any alleged indebtedness - and should be paid to you.

 

Did you pay any charges?

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