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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. 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I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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Send this to the court, with a copy to SC&M;

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

You -v- Lloyds TSB

Claim No:********

 

I, the Claimant, refer to the claim as detailed above and specifically the order made by district judge ***** dated **/**/**.

 

I wish to inform the court that the defendant has not complied with the order in that it has not served upon me the evidence, or any such documents, on which it intends to rely at the forthcoming hearing.

 

I made a request of the defendant's solicitor by telephone on **/**/** to provide me with its documents. The Defendant informed me that it could not tell me when, or indeed if, I would be receiving its documents as it was "awaiting clients instructions".

 

I can confirm that my documents were filed on **/**/** and served on the Defendant on **/**/**.

 

It is submitted that the Defendants non-compliance creates a significant imbalance between the parties in light of the forthcoming hearing, which I believe to be contrary to the overriding objective. This imbalance is particularly exacerbated by the fact that the Defendant is represented by specialist solicitors, whereas I am a litigant in person.

 

Accordingly, it is respectfully suggested that the court may be minded to make an order pursuant to Rule 3.4(2)© of the Civil Procedure Rules.

 

Yours faithfully

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I can't read the last few emails I've sent, the last message here was posted on 27th Nov - don't know what's going on there.............? I have rung SCandM today and the answer they gave was that they were waiting instruction from their clients. Another pathetic delaying tactic I know but I can be patient! I really feel that I am getting close to getting my money back. J saved the reply I got from GaryH so will put that into the Court tomorrow and send a copy recorded to delivery to Brighton. Has anyone been here before? What happens next?

Happy New Year!!

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This time next week I am scheduled to appear in the County Court!! Wish you'd been right about the settlement Barty but I think they're going to take this one down to the wire. SCandM will have received their copy of GaryH's letter to the court yesterday so it will be next week before I get a response - if at all! Do I need to do anything else or do I just sit and wait for the Court's response / Lloyds reaction?

Looking at it logically - it will cost Lloyds more to send a solicitor up from Brighton than to pay me back what they have unlawfully taken from me.......won't it? (!) Nearly there now, just got to be calm!!

Thank you all for your help

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Just remember that they've not defended a single claim in court yet, and there is no indication that they are going to start now. It is not unusual for them to settle with only days to spare, in fact Ianfm got a settlement the day before! They are getting particularly sloppy again recently.

 

Make sure you fully prepare as if you are going to court, but I'd be surprised if you actually did.

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I know you're right! And I am ready to go to court if needs be. I've read somewhere else that Lloyds settled into an account, without telling the owner of the account and then closed the account on the same day! - which is particularly nasty of them. I closed my account with them as soon as I started pursuing my money - they won't have done something stupid like paid it into a non-existant account will they..........?

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I am starting to get quite annoyed with SC& M now. Their persistent and wilful determination to not comply with court directions regarding the exchange of documents is now, in my opinion boardering on professional negligence - although as we are not their clients and neither are we suffering any loss as a result of their failure to comply there is nothing we can do.

 

With the above in mind, i am now sorely tempted to make a note of all the threads where the have failed to comply with this particular deadline and bring it to the court's attention.

 

Bankfodder's super directions are really the way to go. Perhaps rather than write, as mentioned above, I should just make an application for the Bankfodder directions to be used before i receive the court's ones i am currently waiting for.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Regards

 

Paula

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Thank you for that, am now going to tackle my excel sheets!

 

Can you tell me if there is a formula I can put in that means excel will count the number of days between each charge or do I have to do it manually?

Many thanks

Coco

 

Subtract the cells with the dates (i.e. cell B1 - A1) then right click on the cell, select format cells, pick custom and then type dd in it. That should work.

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Well - it's 2.50pm on Monday 8th January. The post has been and gone and not a hint of anything from SC+M......... Nothing from the Court either! What do I do now?

I don't have an account with Lloyds anymore so they would have write me a cheque. Originally I didn't want to stop any court procedings until the cheque from Lloyds had cleared. With nothing arriving today, that DOES mean I'll be in Court on the 12th!! Which is a tad alarming............)

V interested in what people are saying about SC+Ms conduct though - should I report them to the Law Society? Because I haven't heard ANYTHING from them apart from a phone conversation saying they were 'waiting for instructions from their client' that does mean that they have actually missed their deadline to make any settlement before the hearing..... Doesn't it?!

If someone with a knowledge of the Law can tell me what should / could / ought to happen next I will be extremely grateful! I can't see how I cannot go to Court now.............

Coco x

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hi coco, i'm due in court a week today and havent had anything from scm either, my father in law has a law firm in rugby and had already sent a letter to the law society about there conduct but its not had any impact whats so ever, the chances r you'll get a settlement letter in the post shortly, have u tried calling them,

 

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The only time I've called them was on 2nd Jan to ask where their defence documents were. Should I call again? If I do, surely I should be asking for a cheque rather than documents? Could I ask them if they are going to attend the hearing? If they are going to go to Court I should ask for postponement of the date because I havent't had any papers from them..........

What's the best approach do you think?

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first of all you wont get any evidence from them and they wont be attending court, have u spoken to the court your due to attend to see if lloyds have put anything in writing to them as that sometimes happens, if not maybe call the solicitors and just state your suprised youve not heard from them as your in court very soon, any maybe then they'll tell u the offer is in the post

 

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Sorry about that - the cat pressed the return button before I had finished! Very laid back helpful bloke from SC+M - ironically enough - said the cheque would be released Weds. He's going to work out the interest from June to the date Lloyds send him the cheque and fax through a copy to put my mind at rest. He really couldn't have been more co-operative!

To everyone else - just hang on in there! You will wobble, but don't give up!! The money is yours and they know it!!

 

Cococat x

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The number for the court was engaged so I went straight to the solicitor. Just gave my name and said court case was due 12th, I'd spoken to a Mr Gary Allen on 2nd because I hadn't received any documents then. All he told me was that you were awaiting instructions from your client but I still haven't heard anything. I was about to go on to ask where the documents were and what was going on but whoever I spoke to - didn't get a name this time but sounded very much like the Gary Allen I'd spoken to on 2nd - interrupted me and said 'Oh yes, I recognise this, I think I've got the file here.....Could you just hang on for me whilst I get the information I need?' I said I'd wait, next thing is he's back and said 'Yeah, they're going to pay up, it'll go into your account' I then explained that I'd closed the account so they would have to post a cheque and I was reluctant to stop anything until the cheque had cleared. He said he completely understood, could he fax through a copy of the cheque when he'd received it, to put my mind at rest? Gave him my fax number, checked he'd got the correct spelling for my name on the cheque. Checked the amount was what I'd asked for, he checked I'd included court costs and said he'd work out the interest up to the day that Lloyds give him the cheque and then asked if there was anything else he could do for me (!!) I said I wouldn't notify the court until I'd received the fax of the cheque and he said he'd fax a copy through to the court when he faxed a copy to me

Like I say, a really pleasant, helpful individual! What have they said to you?

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