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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Morning all. Any advice very much appreciated.

 

Ive been paying back two overdrafts (so cant CCA ethier :().

Both are by DD-one to Lloyds directly and Metropolitan (passed on by HSBC)

-both on a one payment a month basis and all add up to £135 a month.

 

I have recently finished my job and will be starting a new post in September so money is very tight at the minute until then.

 

Phoned Metro (i know i shouldnt have bothered but nothing ventured...).

 

they obviously werent interested and stated that i could make a token payment and then what ever the shortfall would be would then be added to the following month which would almost double the amount :eek:.

 

I expected the same from Lloyds so didnt phonethem :

(. Any ideas? The amounts will be taken out of my account on the 20th so need to resolve quickly as i cannot afford this.

 

Cheers!

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Offer them what you can afford if they wont play ball then stop the payments or just pay what you can. MCS are not very nice so I am not suprised at their response.

 

if these are overdrafts are there any charges you can reclaim?

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Offer them what you can afford if they wont play ball then stop the payments or just pay what you can. MCS are not very nice so I am not suprised at their response.

 

if these are overdrafts are there any charges you can reclaim?

 

Cheers PGH7447! MCS are lovely arent they!!! I have no money to offer at the moment until payday on the 20th-things are that bad at the minute. I obviously dont want to wait until then though before cancelling as the cash will go out anyhow. Shall i cancel my DDs now then phone them on the day and make an offer then?

 

The other thing i need to know is that if i do this what will be thier next step? They will probably want the money in full, increase the payments threaten court etc? Just want to get a clearer picture.

 

I will be going down the bank charges route with them as i know theres charges (from memory)but cannot afford the £10 to SAR them at the minute though.

Thanks again

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Make a token payment of £1 if you can. You must cancel all the DDs and standing orders otherwise you'll be slammed for penalty charges.

 

They'll moan for a couple of months, but hopefully you'll be earning before they can do anything serious. ;)

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Thank you. Will phone them and do that. What happens if they wont accept the £1 i offer though?

 

It would be wise to open a 'parachute' a/c with an unrelated bank because they will more than likely offset from one a/c to another & if you have benefits being paid into it things could become very difficult.

 

Not sure i understand. Sorry its a stressful day today:eek: I have another account but with the same bank-Halifax. One account for the DDs (the one mentioned) and another for my pay (although theres nothing in that ethier!). When paid, i allocate amounts to the DD account to cover things. Its worked well until now. Is that the sort of thing you mean?

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A parachute account is simply a separate bank account you use, so if you bank with Halifax then open a 'parachute' account with Lloyd's.

 

That way then when your money goes into the new account, Halifax can't swallow it up and leave you with buttons to eat off for a month!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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They will accept the £1, cause that is money to them,

 

A parachute account is a bank account in a different bank to these overdrafts, so that they cant "creep" into your account and take the money to "Offset" the debt, which is what they do.

 

So before the 20 cancel your DD's to these firms, open another bank account and get paid into that, then you control where the money goes

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Just another question. I was thinking-could i change my DDs to say £5 instead of the amount that they (Lloyds and Metro) originally would take? The logic being that i wont have to speak to Lloyds and Metropolitan over the phone to offer a token amount or go through the process of cancelling the DDs?

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Thank you. Just checked. The Lloyds one is S/O :oops:so alright to change to £5?.. looks like i'll just have to cancel the other DD? Never knew they could take what they wanted by DD though! :eek:

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To update. Lloyds S/O changed to £5. Havent heard anything from them as yet...:rolleyes:

 

Now for the next step...

Cancelled the DD with Metro. They have started the calls though so need to get the ball rolling. As its still with HSBC (Metro thier in- house collections?) i guess i can pay into the account by hand so to speak? At least then im putting something in regardless so they cant argue the toss? (even though im sure they will!). Shall i then write to them as suggested above offering £5 a month and take it from there? Im sure i'll get a negative response but worth a go to start with?

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Dear Sirs

 

I am writing in relation to the quantity and frequency of telephone calls that I have received from your company, which I deem to be personally harassing.

 

I now require all further correspondence from your company to be made in writing only.

 

I am of the view that your continued harassment of me by telephone puts you in breach of Section 40 of the Administration of Justice Act 1970, and the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.

 

If you continue to harass me by telephone, you will also be in breach of the Communications Act (2003) s.127 and I will report you to OFCOM, Trading Standards and The Office of Fair Trading, meaning that you will be liable to a substantial fine.

 

Be advised that any further telephone calls from your company will be recorded. (**Even if you don‘t yet have recording equipment!!**)

 

 

Yours faithfully,

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Cheers Mr T. This will be winging its way shortly. Need to address the other points in the last post though too (although this will be a great start). Just trying to get an angle on things. I dont mind paying them back whatsoever- just not the £80 a month they were getting. Cant afford it at present :sad:

Read a few of the other threads and believe i am right in stating that i can SAR them (i know there will be charges!), start the reclaiming process, and then place the account in dispute over these charges?

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