Private Parking Fine - I have the ticket

[Michael Browne]

 

If you broke something in a shop, would you refuse to replace it?

 

You're in the wrong forum, this is about parking tickets

[dx100uk]

hello the trolls escaped.

 

 

here perky....here boy

 

 

dx

[dx100uk]

eh! do you think he must be getting near to his holiday and not got enough money to go.....

 

dx

[Rooster-UK]

Ernest is leaving. It's past his bedtime.

 

Goodnight, Ernest. Sleep tight.

[kiptower]

dam i missed the countdown this time

[Turtle1000]

Here are the signs at the car park:

 

 

mmakov, the second sign in this quote. Is the "S" in the bottom right the beginning of "South West Trains" by any chance. If so, then this may not be as straight forward as a normal PPC route of ignore.

 

I'll expand more if the above is true.

[mmakov]

Yes it is.

[wheelergeezer]

Then you probably fall under Railway bylaws as you are not parked on private proerty but railway property. As I said, Railways are different.

 

Someone else wil fill you in on the fine points.

[patdavies]

It;s irrelevant. Regardless of any signage, the ticket has been issued on the basis of contract with threat of civil court for recovery of non-payment - standard PPC cr*p and the usual unenforceable invoice.

 

For it to be a breach of bye-law issued ticket, under the auspices of the railway company, it would need to state that it would progress to Magistrates' Court as a criminal matter.

 

A breach of railway bye-law ticket is exactly the same as a Fixed Penalty Notice - you either pay or go to criminal court. The example that mmakov has is patently not such a thing.

[mmakov]

Hmmm, still mixed reactions.

 

It's 7 days tomorrow since I received the charge notice, I was thinking about appealing it as a last option but have realised it would be a waste of time. Not only will they not respond within 7 days, sending the charge up to £80 but they will probably ignore it anyway.

 

I guess my choices are pay up or ignore it and run the risk. Seems like a big risk as it's a railway.

 

What would you guys do in my situation?

[Turtle1000]

mmakov, do a search on PePiPoo for South West Trains CP Plus.

There is a threrad on there that almost mimics your situation and makes very interesting reading. Blade Runner is the OP.

 

Net result would appear to be in agreement with patdavies and others on here that the ticket is unenforcable.

 

I have a write up to post, but it is on my home PC. I'll post it later but it basically covers what is already in the PePiPoo thread.

[Turtle1000]

Okay, first a link to the thread I mentioned above (CP Plus Charge Notice getting heavy handed - please help - FightBack Forums).

 

And another I came across looking for the link, which is exactly as per your issue (CP Plus ticket in Wokingham train station car park - FightBack Forums).

 

No point in going into further detail, these two PePiPoo threads say it all.

[Natwestlondon]

I received a ticket from MET parking despite having a valid ticket. Surprise, surprise, when I appealed, my objections were ignored and the ticket doubled along with legal threats. This is like having the prosecution counsel acting as judge! They also sent me a very wide angle shot of my car which does not prove anything, as you cannot make out what is displayed on the dashboard. I am relieved to learn that they will not take me to court, but I can't see how they could possibly win in any case as I'm in possession of the pay and display ticket.

[dx100uk]

I received a ticket from MET parking despite having a valid ticket. Surprise, surprise, when I appealed, my objections were ignored and the ticket doubled along with legal threats. This is like having the prosecution counsel acting as judge! They also sent me a very wide angle shot of my car which does not prove anything, as you cannot make out what is displayed on the dashboard. I am relieved to learn that they will not take me to court, but I can't see how they could possibly win in any case as I'm in possession of the pay and display ticket.

 

having or not a ticket makes no diff, well it does, p'haps being a mug for paying the first place, but why not, its only fair......

 

you must display them using a protractor & at exactly 90% to the windscreen, else you get a ticket.......

 

cough.cough.

 

dx

[Turtle1000]

Ah MET, the reason I came to CAG in the first place.

As you seem to be aware, Just ignore them from now on and keep their junk mail as evidence (or just for a chuckle later on in life). They should go away eventually.

[Natwestlondon]

They cunningly ask you to return the notice with the appeal, I haven't posted it yet and will fish it out of the envelope. But from what people are saying I shouldn't even bother to appeal. Or indeed as dx100uk implies, in the future park for free with impunity. Seriously??

[dx100uk]

the question you need to ask yourself is did a man buttonhole me to sign a contract when i got out of my car...............NO!

 

so all you have there is an unpaid INVOICE for a contract that does not exist!

 

ignore them totally and as the other poster says,........have a giggle at all the threat-o-grams you get.there is NOTHING they can do to you, it is an IMPLIED contract.

 

dx

[lamma]

never pay PPCs invoices or contact them or poast any details of the 'incident' of any forum. But you should pay for parking as to not pay could be construed as theft.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

the question you need to ask yourself is did a man buttonhole me to sign a contract when i got out of my car...............NO!

 

so all you have there is an unpaid INVOICE for a contract that does not exist!

 

ignore them totally and as the other poster says,........have a giggle at all the threat-o-grams you get.there is NOTHING they can do to you, it is an IMPLIED contract.

 

dx

 

Take care with this. Very few contracts have to be in writing. The overwhelming majority of contracts formed every day are not and do not need to be.

 

The three key components are offer, consideration and acceptance.

[Natwestlondon]

never pay PPCs invoices or contact them or poast any details of the 'incident' of any forum. But you should pay for parking as to not pay could be construed as theft.

 

Lamma, are you suggesting that parking companies read consumer forums and use it in evidence against people?

[funkyparott]

Lamma, are you suggesting that parking companies read consumer forums and use it in evidence against people?

 

There was a thread to do with credit reference agencies and their right to process data.

The company told the judge that their were posts on this forum. They also tried claiming copyright breaches with regards to their own letters being publically posted.

 

I believe the thread was made private.

 

Companies do read these forums (regardless of what the sites terms and conditions allow).

[JonCris]

Lamma, are you suggesting that parking companies read consumer forums and use it in evidence against people?

 

 

Of course they do all the time In fact there are some here who are not who they seem;)

[JonCris]

never pay PPCs invoices or contact them or poast any details of the 'incident' of any forum. But you should pay for parking as to not pay could be construed as theft.

 

No it can't:roll:

[Natwestlondon]

I was just looking at the British Parking Association website, and apparently they hold annual industry awards ceremonies. Blimey, I wonder what the categories are. Best clamper of the year? But they've cancelled the event this year because of the downturn.. Shame!

[kiptower]

Natwestlondon check out the bbc news today regarding Clamping, its about to get a lot worse for them