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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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i have just recieved letter requesting money from ROXBURGHE debt collectors, and have never received a parking notice on the vehicle. Should the company ELITE MANAGEMENT LTD provide a copy if requested, or do i get the impression from your posts that i should ignore? I cannot find any address on correspondence from debt collector. (£197!!!)

 

location Kingsland bridge Shrewsbury

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Its actually seems that we are dealing with something of a hydra. Three ostensibly separate companies would seem to be involved.

 

1. Elite Parking Control Ltd Co. No. 04927478 (Co. House registration here) previously of Bradford House, 41, Commercial Road, Wolverhampton, W. Midlands, WV1 3RQ (the reg. office currently shown on Co House is that of their liquidators). As stated above this company went into liquidation on 9 February 2010 and the liquidators are based in Bridgnorth.

 

2. Elite Parking Solutions Ltd (them of the website linked at post #18 Co. No. 04156259 (Co. House registration here) of 145-157 St. John Street, London WC1V 4PY (a reg. off. address used by a number of PPC's). This company was struck-off and dissolved on 2 February 2010 although the website remains up.

 

A Whois reveals that the company owns the domain registration which was registered from a previous reg. office in Maidenhead back in 2003.

 

3. Elite Management Ltd. The only company of this name currently operating (unless its offshore) is a scottish company based in Greenock which appears to be otherwise unconnected. However Elite Management (Midlands) Ltd (Co. House Registration here) formed in 2008 has its registered office at the Bradford House address as was that of Elite Parking Control Ltd. They have their own website here although a whois reveals the domain to have been registered by a web designer from Bridgnorth.

 

The one common name that figures as a director is Garry (Gary) Hart who may or may not live in the Bridgnorth area - which is somewhat coincidental given that that is where the web designer originates from.

 

Furthermore a company identified as Elite Management (UK) Ltd have been members of the BPA Approved Operator Scheme for some while. The link to their website provided by the BPA on their current AOS membership list however points to the Elite Management (Midlands) Ltd website - even though they call themselves Elite Management UK in the content. The company number given resolves to E.M. (Midlands) Ltd.

 

There is no existing limited company called Elite Management (UK) Ltd - the last company of that name was dissolved in 1996.

 

In other words, all roads would seem to lead to Bridgnorth.

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thanks.

my feeling is that a small fine you tend to pay without researching on sites such as this. I am sure no "offence" was ever committed but am certainly not paying a large amount of cash to stop any further problems. Am i correct in thinking that the debt collecting company ROXBURGHE cant act as a bailif etc until they pursue the claim and get a court order? will i just continue to get letters with increased amounts? or wll they just lose interest?

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my feeling is that a small fine you tend to pay without researching on sites such as this. I am sure no "offence" was ever committed but am certainly not paying a large amount of cash to stop any further problems. Am i correct in thinking that the debt collecting company ROXBURGHE cant act as a bailif etc until they pursue the claim and get a court order? will i just continue to get letters with increased amounts? or wll they just lose interest?

 

You are correct in all your assumptions. So relax, ignore, and don't contact them again.

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nomadnomad our letter was from Baker Street in Shrewsbury - both Kingsland Bridge and Barker Street are owned by Morris'. Since my original post I have been digging into what I did that day and I now catagorically know that I was NOT in the car park at 4.10 pm which is when they were saying they attached the fixed penalty notice. I would also have just paid the "fine" to be honest if they had put a notice on my car but I am aware that it is a Morris's carpark and that the attendants are very hot so always make sure I am back at the car with 5 minutes to spare. I was parked there up to around 3.30 pm.......

 

I wonder how many people is Shrewsbury have received these letters? If my mum got it I know she would tell nobody and just pay because she would be worried to death about the words Debt Collector!!

 

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Hi All

 

I have been ticketed by Elite Management (Midland) Ltd too.

 

As I came back to my car, a fairly young couple in civvies were just walking away from my car. The one lad, I thought was looking through my window. Then I noticed that the ticket was where he had been. By the time I picked it up they had walked down the street, and I cursed my luck but as they looked like normal passers thought it couldn't have had anything to do with them. Until I read this forum!

 

I now have seven days to choose what to do. Pay the £60 or ignore as a lot are advising and risk the £90 but more like the increased figures that some have said get increased to for legal costs.

 

I hate **** companies like this so want to do all I can to make sure they don't get my money.

 

I have uploaded images of my ticket for you to see to help. It was also in the usual , black and yellow poly wrap that made it look very official.

 

Is the fact that it just says "notice" and not "penalty" mean that I can get off the fine? What shall I do.....?

 

Thank you All

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can't see the pictures - they are too small. keep them that way. better yet just delete them. Just file all the laughable junk they will send you and ignore them. read on here to find out how these cowboy companies [problem] money from peoplel.

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Just scanning web site for Shropshire star, the local paper and what do i see but article about elite management having severe problems over tickets being removed from cars over the last 2 months!

I think there is more to this than just tickets being removed. I feel that a lot of tickets were never written and / or cars were targeted with valid tickets! Many people will be pleased, i hope the real story outs and this bullying by debt agencies stops.:)

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All parking tickets handed out by an enforcement firm in Shrewsbury in the last two months have been cancelled. The problem arose after notices were apparently illegally removed from windscreens.

 

What ILLEGAL action is anyone doing if they remove one of these scamvoices from a car windscreen?

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Well, that's a good one - 6/10 for originality.

 

If any of the cancelled tickets were actually issued in the name of Elite Parking Control Ltd - rather that Elite Management (Midlands) Ltd then one would wonder why a manager from the latter company was having anything to do with the decision making? Surely, this is a decision that the liquidators might be interested in?

 

I feel an email to the Shropshire Star coming on.

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To be honest I dont think this is good enough - I know for certain my car was not even in the car park at the time they "issued" my ticket - there is no way anyone took it off the windscreen. I think this is a [problem] on behalf of the parking company. I know for absolute certain if my mum had received this letter she would have paid it - she is 66 and lives on her own and would have been terrified!! I wonder how many times they have done this before and had a proportion of people just pay??

 

What should we do next? I dont feel inclined just to let it go!

 

Jane

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I have now received letter from "well known" solicitors graham white aka mr sobell , threat of court action, pay now to avoid, the letter dated 6 days ago and 1 day to pay!!

 

No e mail address etc shabby paper,

 

Meanwhile I have got letter from elite cancelling action and no money to pay. horaay! There was no telephone number on letters so i/net research came up with office number. Sounded helpful? I hope they get in touch with the other! agencies and put a stop to my misery.

I'll let you know.

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To be honest I dont think this is good enough - I know for certain my car was not even in the car park at the time they "issued" my ticket - there is no way anyone took it off the windscreen. I think this is a [problem] on behalf of the parking company. I know for absolute certain if my mum had received this letter she would have paid it - she is 66 and lives on her own and would have been terrified!! I wonder how many times they have done this before and had a proportion of people just pay??

 

That's their business model. Give out as many fake parking tickets as possible and wait for the cheques to come back in the post. Of course it's a [problem]! Some companies just buy the address details of random car registrations they see driving past them in the office, or even look out for disabled badges on dashboards as they could be more willing to pay up.

 

Meanwhile I have got letter from elite cancelling action and no money to pay. horaay! There was no telephone number on letters so i/net research came up with office number. Sounded helpful? I hope they get in touch with the other! agencies and put a stop to my misery.

I'll let you know.

 

Good for you, but any of us could have achieved the same result by rolling the papers around a toilet tube and hanging it next to the toilet!

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Good for you, but any of us could have achieved the same result by rolling the papers around a toilet tube and hanging it next to the toilet!

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Please remember our troops, fighting and dying in our name. God protect them.

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Hi

 

I got a ticket from Elite Management (Midland) Ltd the other day in Brierley Hill, West Mids

 

Went into a shop where parking was always free, never been there before but a friend who has took me there and had never had to pay for parking so assumed you still didn't.

 

there were signs up which were pretty clear but neither of us saw them when we parked and went in. we were in the shop for 5 minutes and came out to be told (subseqently by the person who had issued the ticket) that a parking ticket had been issued and I had to pay £90 (or £60 within 7 days).

 

I've read these forums and the FAQs saying don't pay them, they're [problematic] but what concerns me is that they're a member of the official bodies (BPA and they're AOS - approved) and all the info I've read is potentially out of date?

 

I'm assuming that the BPA is trying to tighten up all loopholes that people like us have previously wriggled out of and now I'm concerned I don't have a leg to stand on if I ignore their letters.

 

I really don't know what to do for the best and am getting really stressed out about it!!!! I don't want to end up credit blacklisted or risk having anything repossessed from me or my vehicle clamped on my driveway or something.

 

Please can someone give the most up to date advice on my rights here and what I should do in terms of responding to them?

 

many many thanks

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The BPA is not an official body, its a trade association that exists to benefit its members i.e. the [problematic]. Its just a club. You haven't got your head around the [problem] yet.

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The only way that you would have your credit record affected, or your car clamped is if the case goes to court (very unlikely), you lose (very, very unlikely) and you refuse to pay whatever the judge orders.

 

You are taking this too seriously. They are not the council or the police. They are a bunch of private citizens with no special powers. Just relax.

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No you just ignore all their silly letters,

 

they make it up as the letters go on

 

first the tea boy send you a letter , ( if the monkeys having his day off )

 

few down the line the office cleaner takes over pretending to be a Solicitor and make's lots of claims of what they MAY do ( they dont do Courts because it would expose the [problem] )

 

 

last one is "Please pay us as them gits ' CAG :D have exposed our [problem] and we are really skint"

 

get the gist of how it works now

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Don't look upon it as an official penalty it is nothing like that. It is more akin to a begging letter and should be treated accordingly. As stated you are taking it far too seriously.

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