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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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I was wondering if anyone could help me appeal this parkling ticket which my fiancee received last week.

 

it was his first day back at work after a couple of months because of damned credit crunch so we could do without it to be honest!!

 

i will post the ticket below but he has received it for parking two wheels on the curb. a couple of points -

 

1. the opposite side of the road are supposed to park on the curb (it is marked as such) and havent - which means that by parking on the road he would have been blocking it off.

 

2. he could not park elsewhere as he was unloading heavy glass etc from a van for work on the house he was parked opposite. he was only there a few moments.

 

i inititally thought that appealing this would be easy due to the unloading but reading through various forums i am seeing they dont tend to back down unless you can find a fault on the ticket itself - is this the case?

 

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There is a clear exemption for loading on the footway although by law there are 2 criteria:

1 the loading could only have taken place if you parked there

2 the driver was with the vehicle

 

The glass would I am fairly certain met criteria 1 but it seems you fall down on the second. I would still appeal on the loading exemption however and they have done themselves no favours by issuing the ticket without any observation period.

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Whilst I am sure your points are right G&M, it seems quite difficult to meet point 2 if the driver is in fact doing the unloading himself! Catch22 it would seem. ;)

 

I dont write the law I'm afraid I just inform people of their rights.

 

A person shall not be convicted of an offence under this section with respect to a vehicle if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that the vehicle was parked—

(a)

in accordance with permission given by a constable in uniform; or

 

(b)

for the purpose of saving life or extinguishing a fire or meeting any other emergency; or

 

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for the purpose of rendering assistance at the scene of an accident or a bona fide breakdown involving one or more vehicles, and—

(i) such assistance could not have been safely or satisfactorily rendered if the vehicle had not been so parked; and

(ii) the vehicle was not left unattended at any time while it was so parked; or

 

(d)

for the purpose of loading or unloading goods, and—

(i) the loading or unloading of the vehicle could not have been satisfactorily performed if it had not been so parked; and

(ii) the vehicle was not left unattended at any time while it was so parked.

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i hhave drafted a letter - do you think this stands any chance at all?

 

Dear Sir or Madam,

 

I wish to make representation against PCN ref:

Vehicle Registration Number:

The PCN states contravention: 622 – Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any part of an urban road other than a carriageway (partly on footway).

I appreciate that it is a contravention to park on the footway in Richmond and support the Councils policy to enforce the law. However at the time of the alleged contravention I was unloading heavy and bulky construction materials to the house directly opposite. The Greater London Powers Act 1974 which gave Richmond the power to enforce footway parking clearly states that 'a vehicle that was parked for the purpose of loading or unloading goods, and the loading or unloading of the vehicle could not have been satisfactorily performed if it had not been so parked' is exempt from the restriction.

The van was parked for a period of a few minutes to allow unloading of heavy glass and other construction materials. Parking on the footpath was necessary as cars parked on the opposite side of the road had ignored signs allowing them to park on the path. This meant parking with all 4 wheels on the carriageway would have blocked the road and would not allow traffic to pass. This unloading of heavy materials could not have been undertaken from anywhere else. The vehicle was not left unattended but was out of view for no more than one minute as the materials were carried to the rear of the property while undertaking work on their swimming pool.

I look forward to hearing your response to this matter.

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i hhave drafted a letter - do you think this stands any chance at all?

 

Dear Sir or Madam,

 

I wish to make representation against PCN ref:

Vehicle Registration Number:

 

The PCN states contravention: 622 – Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any part of an urban road other than a carriageway (partly on footway).

 

I appreciate that it is a contravention to park on the footway in Richmond and support the Councils policy to enforce the law. However at the time of the alleged contravention I was unloading heavy and bulky construction materials to the house directly opposite. The Greater London Powers Act 1974 which gave Richmond the power to enforce footway parking clearly states that 'a vehicle that was parked for the purpose of loading or unloading goods, and the loading or unloading of the vehicle could not have been satisfactorily performed if it had not been so parked' is exempt from the restriction.

 

The van was parked for a period of a few minutes to allow unloading of heavy glass and other construction materials. Parking on the footpath was necessary as cars parked on the opposite side of the road had ignored signs allowing them to park on the path. This meant parking with all 4 wheels on the carriageway would have blocked the road and would not allow traffic to pass. This unloading of heavy materials could not have been undertaken from anywhere else. The vehicle was not left unattended but was out of view for no more than one minute as the materials were carried to the rear of the property while undertaking work on their swimming pool.

 

I look forward to hearing your response to this matter.

 

Personally I don't think the 2 sections I marked in red add anything to your arguement and may even be damaging so I would take them out. (Just my opinion though)

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agghh, this situation is just getting worse!!

 

I have sent the above letter off and as yet have received no response.

 

my OH then received a SECOND PCN in the post! It is for the same day, about 2 hours before when he was first unloading and must have been from one of those drive by shooters.

 

obviously if the first one had been left on the car he could have done something to stop him getting the second one! as it is he has two tickets for the same day and same "contravention" can they do this?

 

i am going to send off the above letter AGAIN with a bit of amendment so any advice appreciated.

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If it hadn't moved in two hours, it is hardly loading and unloading then is it?

 

:D I'm glad I wasn't just the only one to notice that!

 

2. he could not park elsewhere as he was unloading heavy glass etc from a van for work on the house he was parked opposite. he was only there a few moments.

It just goes to show sometimes posters can be economical with the truth and there are always two sides to every PCN.

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as you will see from post above - i have said he got the other ticket when he originally parked there. he was coming and going all morning to pick up and unload as it was first day on job, but after receiving the "on the van" ticket" he did it from a more inconvenient spot. you obviously dont read THAT closely.

 

thanks for your help anyway.

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Hi everyone,

 

I got a 622 PCN the other day, i tried to appeal against it the first time but with no luck.

 

The scenario, in London. I had an important delivery, and the only place i could park was on a double yellow line with 2 wheels on the curb, reason being - the building opposite is a hotel & cars, coaches etc are always coming in and out, if i had left the van parked off the curb it would have caused a huge disruption (the road is not a big one, just a side one) there were other delivery's taking place and i did not have any other option but to park there.

 

I literatly was standing at the side of the van when i noticed the traffic enforcer issuing me a ticket (he must have been hiding) when i see it, i asked him to give me the ticket, which he did but still took a picture of the van without the ticket on.

 

I am sure somewhere it states that this ticket would be invalid if the driver is with the vehicle. This proves i was because he didnt take the picture with the ticket on the van.

 

Do you think i have a chance here? Most annoying thing with this, i booked a holiday one day before and said to my self to be careful as i can because any extra money i have will go towards spending money :(

 

Anyway, any help or advice is appreciated.

 

Thank You

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I am sure somewhere it states that this ticket would be invalid if the driver is with the vehicle. This proves i was because he didnt take the picture with the ticket on the van.

 

The regulations allow the PCN either to to attached to the vehicle or

given to the person who appears to be in charge of that vehicle.

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Hi Michael, thanks.

 

I understand that & im sure that came around in march 2008. I have just finished my formal representation to the council on the following grounds:

 

(i) The loading or unloading of the vehicle could not have been satisfactorily performed had the vehicle not been so parked: and

(ii) The vehicle was not unattended at any time while it was so parked.

I emphasise point (ii) because I was with my vehicle at all times & the enforcer must have known it so decided to issue the ticket without me noticing him hence the reason why you cannot see a ticket on the picture you issued, of which I have looked at & this can clearly back up all of the above – I took the ticket as soon as I see him print it off (I was with the van). If I knew of this law at the time of the enforcer issuing the ticket I would have questioned if he knew the enforcement policy issued by Westminster because he clearly did not.

 

there is obviously more to the letter but those two points that are stated 'Under the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974' says i can park there if the 2 above points relate to the situation.

I was with the van and the enforcer must have been hiding and then issued the ticket, thats when i took it from him.

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